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Why the hell should I feel sorry, says girl soldier who abused Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison

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posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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I know I have come back to this chat a bit late but I feel the need to say "I respect your position in your comments" and appreciate your posting.





posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Darko
People like Lynndie, imo, are missing a part of their brains. That is, the part that feels deep emotions. These people can only feel fear, boredom and anger.



If I am not mistaken, is this not the gal who escaped punishment because she was judged mentally incapable of understanding the charges that had been made against her?



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Education is not a guarentee of superior intelligence. I work with a man with a masters degree from Temple U. He can't plan ahead and has a hard time keeping his attention focused on what he's doing. I think that he would lose his head if it weren't attached.
Science has proved that some people are born evil (blood flow into the brain or more correctly in parts of the brain.) or that they will have a tendence to be evil. These are the people who slip thru the cracks into the millitary. And some are very intelligent (Ted Bundy is an example).
I agree with you about morality. But the CIA not the millitary recruits with that in mind. They want there operatives to be amoral and believe that if they are doing it for them it is lawful and therefore okay to do. My cats are more moral than this woman and her cohorts!
I don't think it was indoctrination, but poor supervision that allowed this to happen. When the officers and NCO's arn't doing their jobs, then in this situation these people knew they could git away with the evil they perputrated. Their officers and NCO's are also guilty because of their lack of action and tolerance of poor millitary discipline.
Evil exists in and outside the military. Let's not blame the whole armed forces for what some sick persons have done. And us as a society of humans hold those who are responsible, those who did these intollerable acts and those who allowed them to happen, quilty. And punish them accordingly.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Great comments 8654drp, you are exactly correct about them slipping though the cracks. I have enjoyed reading all of the comments on this thread. Thanks for sharing.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Wow, why haven't we heard of this before? Seems she has been doing it for a while?

This is ridiculous, how could ANYBODY, be proud of torturing people? Innocent or not.

When living in Toronto many years ago, I met a man from Somalia, who become a good friend. He told me all kinds of stories of his youth, the things he witnessed, and the things he had to do to find a way into this country.

And he would have been somebody who has done things such as this, and he repents for all of it, the man has a hard time dealing, suffers from PTSD and anxiety.

It takes a very twisted person to go through that kind of background and do those kinds of things without feeling an ounce of remorse. I think a psych test for all new recruits should be done to keep this kind of person out of our armed forces.

~Keeper


A psych test IS done for all recruits. However, there is no 100% way to know how a person will respond to stressful situations. Shut down, turn inward, become suicidal, become homicidal, etc.... there is no test to verify this accurately at this time. All they can do is verify person is sane at time of enlistment.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
Most people i would say would be proud of torturing any one they can,a nd getting away with it. Only a few feel empathy for people really.

Disgusting persona nd typical that america wants her to make a good income on it.


I DO NOT want her to make an income from it. The law should confiscate her profits from an illegal activity as they do for any other proven illegal activity. I am an AMERICAN.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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I agree that PFC England & her crew were the patsies trotted out to take the fall for this. For all that people have claimed 'it wouldn't happen in my day/unit', we know that it is the US policy to 'soften-up' prisoners & thus such humiliation is regularly inflicted. In this instance, the details got out, therefore somebody had to be seen to be punished. I do blame her tho; I just blame her chain of command & ultimately the White House more. Have to add:

'I can't even hunt squirrels no more, because I'm not permitted to own a firearm,'

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Oh how I laughed! Sounds a bit too funny to be true tho... Star for you



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:02 PM
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Do you have any proof of this claim about softening up prisoners i can tell you i actually took Iraqis into custody. And what you say is nonsense.I was there were you? Standard sop for capture is to disarm then check to see if medic is needed (my area).Then food and water can be given if transport is going to be a while had situations were we had to guard them for several hours waiting for transport. Humvee is dispatched usually from the unit that captured the combatant. They are escorted to a temporary holding facility where they are interrogated usually by Iraqi interpreter to find out if they needed to be detained further.

If determined they committed crime are either handed over to Iraqis or if possibility of Intel moved to central facility.If injuries were involved i was with them up to the point they were released into custody of the prison.Usually a civilian interrogator would sign for custody they were in charge of the prisoner from that point does that surprise you?



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 03:34 AM
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Most people i would say would be proud of torturing any one they can, and getting away with it. Only a few feel empathy for people really.


What a ridiculous comment. The vast majority of people in the world would run very fast in the opposite direction if they were asked to torture another human being.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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Who do you think brought down the two towers on September 11, 2001?

Possibly we were not invaded, 911 I believe was a orchestrated inside job committed to manipulate the American People towards accepting war.

Watch how the towers came down.

Start researching on this costly war we are in, who has profitted and how it all came about.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
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Who do you think brought down the two towers on September 11, 2001?

Possibly we were not invaded, 911 I believe was a orchestrated inside job committed to manipulate the American People towards accepting war.

Watch how the towers came down.

Start researching on this costly war we are in, who has profited and how it all came about.





The idea that the US government had to blow up our tower to start a war is silly.The president has the right to send troops anywhere on the globe he is commander in chief. No excuses needed at all .This is the stupidest argument i think Ive ever seen for 911 being an inside job. When i was sent to Somalia to fight rebels by the US government the reason was a peace keeping mission.

So anyone that believes this knows nothing of how the military works. The president has the ability to deploy troops for 6 months without anyones approval .The only time he needs congress is to declare war, In Iraq or Afghanistan war was never declared.

And if you believe some how bush cared what people thought he would have pulled out of them after 1 year obviously public opinion meant nothing to him.


[edit on 6/16/09 by dragonridr]



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:01 AM
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No, I'm not suprised that people taken into custody by US troops need a medic the whole time. What does suprise me is that you are either naive enough to believe or dishonest enough to represent that those suspected of having "Intel" are not treated harshly once handed off to jail. You're right tho, I wasn't there. Like most people forming an opinion about most things I'm going by reports. Here's some I find credible: www.cbc.ca... www.nytimes.com... www.seattlepi.com... www.amnestyusa.org... Quite frankly, when Amnesty tell me US troops are abusing people & name specific individuals involved, I know they'd be sued for libel if they had no evidence & thus I'm more inclined to believe them than an anonymous member of the accused organisation like yourself.



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