Congratulations! Obama is going to raise our taxes! , page 1
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Topic started on 13-6-2009 @ 09:33 AM by Tentickles
Have fun digesting this one guys...

Bloomberg
Obama has pledged that health-care changes won’t add to the deficit. To accomplish that, he’s proposed getting about $600 billion by reducing tax deductions available to the wealthy, and by trimming Medicare payments to insurance companies.

That won’t be enough to cover the overhaul costs. Obama said this week he plans in the coming days to disclose more proposals for raising “additional sources of revenue.” In a letter last week to Senate Democrats drafting legislation he said he will be proposing between $200 billion and $300 billion in further Medicare and Medicaid cuts...

“We have a problem in not wanting to attract enough negative attention to the bill in terms of the pay-fors,” he said. “Let them get a good feel for the coverage.”



Here's Zero Hedge comments on the matter:
Why raise taxes? Can't the Treasury just print a cool quadrillion (in bearer bonds, to be unsuccessfully smuggled by vicious ninjas into Bern so that UBS can pretend to be buying up long-dated maturities for its own account) and that will be that. Timmy has already stocked up on enough paper to run the printers at turbo for a good 4 years (and even accounted for the occassional PC Load Letter error) and Ben has bought every single available Port-A-Potty (Citi, BofA, Regions Financial) in which to flush all the little green pieces of paper that he buys from Timmy.

Additionally as Obama has pretty much staked his political career on only raising the taxes of those who make over $250,000 per year. That's what - 4, maybe 5 million Americans? So, $600 billion divided by 5 million, that makes... oh, about $120,000 in tax increases per person.

Silver lining - a definite stock recommendation: buy the airlines (preferrably in the next five minutes before Goldman runs oil to over $100 and Delta files for Chapter 44 or whatever iterration of the bankruptcy process they are at now) as sales for one way tickets out of the US skyrocket.


Here's what The Iconoclast Investor has to say about all this...
11 days after I was born, my father paid $155.35 to Salem Hospital, $150 to a Dr. Haywood for the delivery and $20 to Richardson Associates for anesthesia. General Electric, my father’s employer at the time, kicked in $100. I presume the bill was paid in full and that all parties were satisfied with the outcome.

When I was four years old, there was a return visit to Salem Hospital to treat a cut lip. For that my father paid $3.00.

Now fast-forward to June 5, 2008, just over one year ago. It was a quiet Thursday afternoon. My wife called me saying she had accidentally sliced her thumb with a utility knife and wondered whether she should go to the hospital to have it treated or just disinfect it and put a bandage on it.

I reasoned that on a quiet weekday afternoon, the hospital would be well staffed and we could be in and out fairly quickly, so off we went to Salem Hospital, where after filling out forms and answering questions–including, “Was it an accident?”–we spent a lot of time waiting in the so-called “Fast-Track” room. Eventually, a doctor showed up, and proceeded to apply Super-Glue (cyanoacrylate) to the wound, which was still seeping blood at a healthy rate. The whole site still looked a mess to me, but he wrapped the thumb in a big bandage and sent us on our way, saying the bandage could be removed in a few days.

Days later, we followed instructions, and were not entirely surprised to find, after removing the bandage, that the wound began bleeding again. Perhaps the surface had not been dry enough for the Super-Glue; perhaps the wound was too deep. I don’t know.

At that point, we had no appetite for a return visit to the hospital, which might entail not only a near-guaranteed wait but also a question about whether my wife had purposefully reopened the wound … so we disinfected and re-bandaged right at home. A few days later her thumb was fine.

And then, a month after the accident, the bill arrived. Now just for fun, make your own guess here. One emergency room, one doctor, a tube of Super Glue (apparently the exact same stuff you can buy at CVS but tailored for doctors), and basic bandaging materials. How much could it cost?

The answer is below.

A little farther …

A little farther …

The cost was $840.


Now digest this information, yes yes, keep going... then let's read this thread I started yesterday: The 47 Million People Don't Have Healthcare Lie
In short it reads:
Add the numbers up and you get 38 million. That leaves 9 million without coverage (although they really do have coverage since the federal government, along with the states, administer medicaid and charity care).

So the real number of uninsured is 8-10 million. There are 300 million Americans.


Anyone else tired of these lies and ponzi schemes cooked up by the government?


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 10:24 AM by Ferris.Bueller.II
Anybody remember this 'pledge'?



How many people still believe it?

[edit on 6/13/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 10:40 AM by Darthorious
reply to post by makeitso



Not only that but it just promotes the hiring of illegal aliens. Lower cost no requirement to pay medicare on them and more Americans out of a job yay.

I think it's about time we move to Mexico. You'll know when it gets really bad when you see on the news, "Once again a group of Americans crossed the Mexican boarder and abducted a 4 year old demanding a ransom of 100 peso's from the Mexican family for her safe return."


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 11:33 AM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Watchdog-Finland



How much do you pay in taxes? That is income, VAT(if it applies), sales, etc. Total tax burden.

________________

Well I can't say I'm surprised any independently thinking person knew this was coming. I can't believe people actually believed the lie, that 95% of people weren't going to get a tax increase.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 12:20 PM by Alxandro
reply to post by Watchdog-Finland



I bet doctors in Finland aren't forced to take out malpractice insurance.

Hmm, here's a thought.
If something goes wrong under Obama's healthcare plan, rather than sue the physician, can we sue Obama instead?


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 12:49 PM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
i havent yet seen the bill but i think its in total 120 euros and that will be paid by the government here, but still im feeling sorry that it really was 840 dollars u paid for that its a terrible amount indeed, i hope shes well now
Cheers


The reason why a minor visit to the doctors could cost 840 dollars is because insurance companies dictate the charge of everything. My kid went to the emergency room and saw the doctor for 5 mins to get some surgery glue on a cut on his chin and the bill was $1000 plus. Now I have three different insurances and so I paid nothing, but the $1000 bill that was paid by my insurance companies would be the same bill sent to my house if I had no insurance.

It is like this because there is no competition in our health care system. As a consumer I cannot shop around for a good doctor at a reasonable price, because health care prices are already nationalized and we just don’t know it. The only reason a cotton swab cost 20 bucks is because the insurance companies say it does….

If we privatized insurance and allowed for competitive pricing then we could shop for our own doctor based on their skill and cost.

There are many small clinics opening up around America that work totally outside the nationalized insurance umbrella. They deal only in cash and all cost are on a menu style for each procedure and not broken-down in cost for everything (like a cotton swab). Even though I have insurance I took one of my kids to one during a holiday and normal clinics were closed, so to prevent a emergency room visit (pink eye) I went to one of these clinics and I was seen very quickly and it cost me 15 bucks plus the cost of the eye drops.

All health care should be like this with the difference being insurance would have paid my 15 bucks, but once Obama REALLY nationalizes healthcare it will be even worse than it is today with no hope to actually having a reasonable system.



[edit on 13-6-2009 by Xtrozero]


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:32 PM by mikerussellus
reply to post by milesp



I just signed on with a literary agent today! Yipee for me. I guess I'm going to have to limit any advances, or sales on my book to under 250K a year.

I wouldn't want to become one of those FILTHY RICH people that make. . .

Oh, wait a minute...Obama's plan calls for 250K (rich people) if you're married.

It's 200K if you're single.

I suppose my wife could quit her job, go on unemployment. . .

And remember, it's 250K for assets, not money in the bank. So if you own a hotdog stand and the property it sits on is 250K or more, then you are now known as one of those filthy rich, evil, satanic, greedy people that can't have any of the money that you've worked hard all your life for. . . .

-pathetic-
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