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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 07:25 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by TheAmused



They're not suing for the right to burn their own copies, they are suing to have the copy in the public library burned, which is outrageous.

I respect their right to promote their views, and do as they please, but dong so with public property is not the way.

~Keeper



reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 07:34 PM by Miraj
reply to post by The All Seeing I



My dad always noted that book burners actually did authors favors.

The obvious reason being- To burn they book, they must first buy it. If the author cares about income, he/she doesn't mind his book being burned.

Its nice to see a counter part to the ACLU, in which we can also laugh at their bias


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:03 PM by The All Seeing I



reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:16 PM by Witness2008
There is very limited information on the American Christian Liberties Union...the two from Kansas behind this movement. www.manta.com...

I find the actions of this little organization to be of a desperate and fearful nature. Politicians like Palin and Limbaugh whisper sweet nothings into the ears of people like this hoping to insight news making events and often resulting in violence.

What saddens me most is that children are raised in an atmosphere of book burning and hatred..not exactly what Christ was looking for.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:18 PM by SaturnFX
Simply put, everything God has made, Satan has taken over...

therefore, God is a imperfect creator.

Therefore God is not perfection

Therefore God is not the God of the bible

Therefore the bible is pure fiction

Therefore, people doing things in the name of the bible, or any religion based on any part of the bible, is doing it for nothing

Lemme guess...God screwed up again by the whole free choice thing.

Its quite simple really. God wants you to be saved, but its your choice.
God is outside of time and space, nothing is outside of his knowledge, not even the future...therefore, God made you knowing you would not accept Jesus as savior and be damned for all eternity, making God sad...So, God intentionally made something that was designed without a doubt to fail.

What? free choice? we could have ended up differently? oh, then what your saying is God cannot see the future...therefore he does have limitations.

Love that catch22 that invalidates any and all aspects of the biblical God.

God is either then one of 4 possibilities.
He is a ignorant and limited God
He is a evil and cruel God
There is no God and its just a made up story to explain stuff early man didnt understand
There is a overall unity and consciousness which is in no way, shape, or form even remotely close to what the bible, koran, or any other type of limiting book says it is.

My guess is the 4th...but could be wrong.

Religion seriously hampers spiritual development...but I spose thats what it was designed to do.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:27 PM by The All Seeing I
Originally posted by Witness2008
There is very limited information on the American Christian Liberties Union...the two from Kansas behind this movement.
www.manta.com...

I noticed the same thing, here i was expecting to find a flashy website with all the bells and whistles, but instead all i could find was this business directory. Here's the entry for the CCLU in Wisconsin, not sure if they are affiliated with the one in Kansas.

What saddens me most is that children are raised in an atmosphere of book burning and hatred..not exactly what Christ was looking for.

This is also gets under my skin. Should be considered by law a form of child abuse.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:37 PM by Witness2008
reply to post by The All Seeing I



As much as I hate the google microscope showing the world the details of my life I used it on that address. Sad stuff


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:39 PM by The Killah29
I agree with you on may aspects, SaturnFX.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Simply put, everything God has made, Satan has taken over...

therefore, God is a imperfect creator.

Therefore God is not perfection

Therefore God is not the God of the bible

Therefore the bible is pure fiction

Yes the bible is pure fiction.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Therefore, people doing things in the name of the bible, or any religion based on any part of the bible, is doing it for nothing

Lemme guess...God screwed up again by the whole free choice thing.

Its quite simple really. God wants you to be saved, but its your choice.
God is outside of time and space, nothing is outside of his knowledge, not even the future...therefore, God made you knowing you would not accept Jesus as savior and be damned for all eternity, making God sad...So, God intentionally made something that was designed without a doubt to fail.

What? free choice? we could have ended up differently? oh, then what your saying is God cannot see the future...therefore he does have limitations.

If we are all the children of this so-called 'loving god', why is is that if we question his/her's/it's love we go to a place of eternal suffering?
And, if God made us in his exact same image, He must be seriously flawed. Just look at what we have become as a race.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
God is either then one of 4 possibilities.
He is a ignorant and limited God
He is a evil and cruel God
There is no God and its just a made up story to explain stuff early man didnt understand
There is a overall unity and consciousness which is in no way, shape, or form even remotely close to what the bible, koran, or any other type of limiting book says it is.

My guess is the 4th...but could be wrong.

Religion seriously hampers spiritual development...but I spose thats what it was designed to do.


The true answer is #4. Religion sucks, it causes misery, and prevents any advancement in science.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 08:51 PM by Witness2008
reply to post by The All Seeing I



The address given for the WI group is an empty lot. Having been a grass roots organizer listing empty lots as your place of business is a good reason for others that think in your terms to shut down the operation.
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