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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:18 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

The novel in question is Francesca Lia Block's Baby Be-Bop

I like that novel, it's pretty simple. Read it in middle school. Why on earth of all the books out there to burn would they choose this one? There's plenty of novels with young STRAIGHT teens doing all sorts of "un-godly" things.

If they want to cause a stir they should have sued to burn Harry Potter for witchcraft and the Twilight series for obvious reasons.

Would have given them way more attention, then again, maybe they were scared of Twilight tweens?

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:21 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

Also, if I were the author I would be ecstatic! Yes, give my book free publicity and while you are at it spend your hard-earned-bigoted money on lots of copies to burn!

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:23 PM by The All Seeing I

Originally posted by mattifikation
Let's sue the "Christian Civil Liberties Union" for the right to burn their bibles. Not just any bibles, but *their* bibles.

When you put it that way, it sounds like a full frontal attack. Looking at this org in title anew... "Christian Civil Liberties Union" reads like a misnomer... newspeak... with a purpose polar opposite of the American Civil Liberties Union which promotes and protects free-thinking and... gasp... real civil liberties.

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:34 PM by mattifikation

reply to post by The All Seeing I

Considering that simply buying a book gives you the right to burn it, I'm left with the assumption that they are suing for the right to burn that particular library's copy of the book.

So why shouldn't this lawsuit open the group up to people suing them to burn their property?

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:40 PM by tothetenthpower

Well so the official score is now:

Bigots 1
Everybody Else 0

Apparently this is the case? I mean it did make news, which means somebody somewhere thought this was important enough.

I wonder what lawyer in the right mind would take this case, he must know he's going to get laughed out of that court room. Especially if he's representing a bunch of old people who simply don't like a book the promotes equality.

I've read that book, actually I've read it many times. It's a wonderful book, the language is not mean to be offensive, it's meant to show what really happens with people of this mindset.

Burning books eh? I remember another time when they did that. Didn't work out too well for them, I wonder how well it will go this time.

If they get the "permission" to do this, then by all means we will have made the progression into a truly socialist state.

~Keeper

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:43 PM by moocowman

reply to post by watchtheashes

The Bible has the only God that makes any sense.

Is this the god that lost in a wrestling match against a mere human ?

" Hey other gods', I got a great idea, lets' make men in our image, then kill them all for becoming like us "

Yup that makes a lot of sense

Better still -

"Hey you people that I created, if you worship other gods which either created me or I them, I will get very jealous like an empty headed girlfriend and kill you"

Here's the one I love -

" Oh me why he you forsaken me ?"

My god makes a load of sense guess his name.

Here's a nice little video for all the homophobic xtians out there, remember the good old days ?

YouTube Link

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:44 PM by contemplator

I'm encouraged to see the christians frothing at the mouth over gay novels. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to write a new series about Gay Wizards. And when your children read it not only will they be into magic, they'll be into GAY magic! They will literally turn into flaming gay pagans! your children are doomed!

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:45 PM by mpriebe81

reply to post by debz325

There are homos here starting arguments??? I didn't even notice.
I'm pretty sure these bible thumpers suing to burn books started the whole thing in the first place, right?

Btw, never fought anybody on the playground, I always saved that crap for after school when I was a kiddy.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:47 PM by tothetenthpower

reply to post by contemplator

According to most christians, we already are doomed, all of us.

I mean the gays are ruining the moral fabric of America, any other religion is to blame for the civil unrest and problems around the world.

And the devil is influencing Obama to become the Anti-Christ!

You know what, come to think of it, let them burn that book. Do it, what difference does it make? If there is a judgment at the end of the line, they will be burnt of their own accord.

~Keeper

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:49 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by moocowman

The good old days? Oh how I wish it were so, there's still plenty of ignorant people who think that you can compare homosexuals to pedophiles, or claim that they recruit straight people to become homosexuals. Granted, that's mostly the folks that come from the good old days. Been reading up on recent research and 70% to 60% of Evangelical teens are supporting things like gay marriage. Really amazing to see. Hopefully most of this silliness will be behind us in fifteen years.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:56 PM by tothetenthpower

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

Being a gay guy who has hoped for this kind of thing for the past twenty years, I somehow doubt it. And the reasons for that is money.

Both sides of this argument make TONS of money defending each other's stances, and people are just lining their pockets with it.

I mean the opposition can't come up with a good argument against gay rights, the the gay movement, the mainstream one, I am sorry to say has their ideals and their goals completely backwards.

They are putting us all down, with their rhetoric and over the top demonstrations, if they simply came out like normal people and I don't mean that in a derogative manner, they would accomplish so much more.

It's a matter of showing people that we are no different than straights, in any way, acting different is what makes them afraid of the change, and makes them oppose any sort of equality.

We need to stop acting as a minority and identify ourselves as with, not separate from the general population. That's my 2 cents anyway.

~Keeper

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:00 PM by mattifikation

reply to post by contemplator

Actually, you're a bit late to the game with that idea. The character Dumbledore from the Harry Potter series was acknowledged by the author to be gay.

But maybe it is time for people to just start writing books for the sake of ticking off the stodgy old zealots...

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:01 PM by HunkaHunka

I just don't understand what is so difficult in realizing different strokes for different folks?

What about Freedom don't these people understand?

I mean, they certainly have the right to say how they feel about homosexuality, but do they not realize that there is a deeper issue, the fact that their rhetoric smacks of being anti-thetical to the freedoms we all have?

Are they so attached to their own world view that they feel they have to impose it on the rest of us who have our own freedoms?

Seriously... there are tons of things I don't feel are right for me, but I have no right to say what is right for others....

That's the basic premise of freedom.... you have to let others live their own life. Marry who they want, make mistakes, have successes, come to their own conclusions of what God is, or even if one exists!

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:19 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by tothetenthpower

We need to stop acting as a minority

I think the only reason gays use this argument is because treating yourself as a minority helps to protect you from the majority, and there is a huge majority against us. I don't always agree with it but I see why it could be done with good intentions. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said, except for your doubts. This kind of research has predicted social trends for nearly thirty years and has usually been spot on, that fifteen year number didn't come from me, but collective efforts by some of the best predictors of social and political trends. Nate Silver has done a good job of compiling information and mapping this trend, he's not one of the best but I like his presentation because of how simple and to the point it is.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:22 PM by Skyfloating

The biggest non-issue of the week.

In this day and age I can acquire any book I want...even books that were banned and burned.

Anyone can also burn any book he wants.

We`re free.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:23 PM by tothetenthpower

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

I can certainly see where you come from. It does provide for more protection when you can say that you are part of a "special" group who is fighting for a good cause, and we are, it's just the way that it's being portrayed is very wrong.

And I must apologize, you got me thinking about social trends and I actually was in the process of looking it up. I did not think that these things were so well predicted, but apparently they are.

You've lightened by hopes a little bit. Thanks

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~Keeper

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:30 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by tothetenthpower

I can certainly see where you come from. It does provide for more protection when you can say that you are part of a "special" group who is fighting for a good cause, and we are, it's just the way that it's being portrayed is very wrong.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. Kind of like when gays should have focused more of their protesting in front of city halls and the like instead of churches after Prop 8.

And I must apologize, you got me thinking about social trends and I actually was in the process of looking it up. I did not think that these things were so well predicted, but apparently they are.

You've lightened by hopes a little bit. Thanks

Cool, you're welcome!

Yeah, I became interested in studying social trends in 2005, and that's when I started noticing how accurate they were. I think it was when California voted down a bill that had to do with teens getting a parents permission for abortion, the support for this bill was predicted to dramatically decrease come 2008. It did, bill didn't pass then, bill still hasn't passed and I've been fascinated with that research ever since.

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:32 PM by kyred

So these "oldies" were forced to read the book? WTF? Buy the book you wanks and apply a temperature of 451 degrees F to it and have your book burning. Sheesh. 'Scuze me, the grandkiddies want to have a marshmallow roast and I have a Bible and Koran to set aflame for the festivities. And no, I didn't buy them and I didn't borrow them from the library, some clowns came to my door on two different occasions and gave them to me. lol.

By the way, do you have some Jehovah's Witnesses who occasionally bug you by knocking on your door and wanting to tell you the "truth"? I have a sure fire way of getting rid of them and they probably won't come back. At least I haven't seen them for 8 years, now. Heh. I answered the door in my underwear, peeked out from behind the door, let my eyes light up and said, "Oh, it's you, again! I've been wanting to see you!" And then I fully opened the door, standing there in my underwear holding a can of beer and said, "Come on in! I want to tell YOU about my gawwwwwwwwwwwd!"

Come on folks, go back to your temples and tabernacles and mosques and do your business in there. Leave me and the rest alone.

Edited for spelling. Gee, I hope I got it right this time.

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:42 PM by badmedia

If there is a law stopping them from burning a copy they bought, then they have a case.

But can't sue for the right to burn anothers property, that is ridiculous.

I think I'm a bit too cynical to buy this at face value. I swear people do crap like this just as a way of harming the thing they claim to be. If you look at their actions vs what actions Jesus said to do then they do not match at all.

What do you think these people would say/do to Jesus if he came to them? That pretty much sums it up as far as I'm concerned.

-not a christian, but I am a big fan of Jesus.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:50 PM by mithrawept

This isn't about the book. This is about the christian right attempting to enforce their political ideology on the American people. It has nothing to do with religion or the bible. The bible dictates that adulterers be stoned to death but that is conveniently overlooked by the majority of christians.

The censorship of anything contra to the decision made by the religious elite resembles the Taliban. The only difference is that it's a different religion!

Come on people, lets understand this for what it is - we hate most the thing we fear in ourselves.