Christians sue for right to burn gay teen novel

They have books on serial killers try finding any that were NOT homosexual or bi-sexual.

Homo Jeffrey Dahmer: raped, murdered and ate 13 young men and boys.

Homo John Wayne Gacy: Chicago, killed 33 boys.

Homo California Freeway Killer William G. Bonin: murdered 14 boys ages 12 to 19, sexually molested them, tortured, mutilated, strangled & dumped their naked bodies. One was stabbed 70 times. Another had an ice pick in his head. Others had cigarette burns. 1969 convicted of assaulting five boys, sentenced to five years. 1975 imprisoned for another rape. Paroled in 10-78 & began his homo rape & murder spree immediately. Police caught him while he was sexually assaulting a 15-yr-old boy in his van. AP 2-23-96 "WGB said the death penalty "sends the wrong message" to America's youth. Universal Press Syndicate 960507 Gambit Weekly, New Orleans. He had been on death row for 14 years for 1979?80 murders. Executed 2-23-96 during BEL broadcast; studio lights dimmed.

Homo Patrick Kearney: murdered 32, cutting boys up and putting them into trash bags.

Homo Thomas Hamilton: murdered 16; Scotland's mass murderer liked little boys in various states of undress. Called Mr. Creepie by some of Dunblane's children. Got even by killing 16 kindergarten children and their teacher and then himself on March 3, 13. Known by police to be "a risk to children," -USA Today 19990721, page 8a.

Homo Andrew Cunanan: murderer of Zgianni Versace, fashion designer. This male prostitute was wanted in connection with four other murders nationwide.

Homo Orville Lynn Majors: 60 murderers, charged with six. BEL listener Barbera Brown of Madisonville KY called on the air to say that she was a relative of Majors, and that he was a known homosexual. 6 counts of murder... One patient died every 156 hours at Vermillion County Hospital in Indiana during his shifts. He was charged with six deaths but is believed to have murdered 60 people.

Homo Charles Manson: a prostitute's illegitimate son, spent most of his early life in institutions for offences including theft, pimping and homosexual rape . When released in 1967, aged 32, he used his criminal contacts to buy drugs and seduce enough young middle-class women to create The Family.

Homo Donald Harvey: murdered dozens in a Kentucky hospital, as many as 70 .

Homo Anthony Morley: A gay chef murdered his partner, cut out part of his leg, seasoned it with herbs and fried it, a British court heard. Anthony Morley, 35, chewed one of the pieces before throwing it into his kitchen trash. Morley is a former holder of the Mr. Gay UK title .

Homo Bruce Davis: Charles Manson accomplice who appears on the Associated Press list of Worst U.S. Serial Killers , according to Dr. Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute.

Homo Nathaniel Bar-Jonah: homosexual cannibal Bar-Jonah sexually molested boys in Massachusetts and Montana and butchered at least one, a ten year old in Great Falls named Zachary Ramsay.

Homo Corll, Henley & Brooks: sex ring, murdered and, tortured 27 in Texas.

Homo Juan Corona: murdered dozens of migrant workers and molested their corpses.

Homo Richard Speck: murdered 8 nursing students, bragged about it on video tape showing him having sex with an inmate and bragging about the many inmates he had sodomized. Died of a heart attack in 1991.

Homo Wayne Williams: in Atlanta from 1979-1981 killed black boys, thought to be a racist, but turned out to be a black homosexual.

Homo Frank Davis: killed two youths on a camping trip with an ax in 1983 and almost killed two others, had his death sentence commuted to a 120-year prison term. Murders in Kingsford Heights. "Davis killed the teens after sexually molesting them. Darrin Reed, 14 and Jeffrey Lopez, 15 were killed and two others were left for dead but survived... Davis argued he was sexually abused as an adolescent at Beatty mental hospital... he was forced to perform homosexual acts, as an adolescent, with the older inmates... This 'affected Davis' sexual identity,' his lawyers said." Of course, homosexual men reproduce by molesting boys.

Homo John Joubert: former Boy Scout leader said he enjoyed the "power and domination" of killing. He was executed in the electric chair early July 17, 1996 for murdering two boys in 1983. Joubert repeatedly stabbed and slashed Danny Jo Eberle, 13, and Christopher Walden, 12. He also was convicted of stabbing and strangling a boy in Maine. -South Bend Tribune, IN wire report, p. A6

You think this camp is creating a mental virus? That is hilarious considering the grabage our public schools are putting in the minds of our young people today. I could list another ten times as long and all of the killers are avowed atheists and homosexual.

Incubators for Christian soldiers you say? In your "impartially unbiased" research where you haven't even done as much as an interview of a member of this camp much less attended any, the alternative State run public school system is intent on filling our kids heads with Garbage about encouraging boys to try a circle jerk and that it's FUN! In the Boston school dist they teach them a foreign language and the proper and safe use for their latest activities proving their "intolerance" and multi-cultural diversity" such as "FISTING" and how best to do that safely and oh yeah the inhereant risks of "doing it bareback" . Yeah I have personally SEEN the literature and let me tell you something ASE, Ill take that Christian camp over ANY public state run school any day.

The fact is all seeing eye is you just have no clue what so ever what you are talking about. In this entire thread I have refuted and proved you wrong again and again and the best you can do is send in more of your like minded freinds to assault me giving me so called goody goody Christian reputations to live up to like judging not, just to get me to compromise my post while they in turn assail me with their immature ad-homs which only make me giggle

They can go to their schools learn a silly science called a scientific fact and ya know what the REAL fact is? By the time they graduate College, that asinine science will already have to be learned all over again and why? Research on the public schools system says that by the time they go from high school to graduating college they will have learned about so many fraudulent hoax's from idiots in science and their professors saying it is scietific fact all the so called "factual" speculation will have been proven wrong by that time. So is it any wonder when someone says they don't understand the theory of evolution the real truth of the matter is DOES ANYONE?

NOPE!

Unitl they allow REAL intelligence in our public schools and start teaching math and science rather then what gays say SHOULD be taught with their ideas this time in our daily class rooms should be best spent teaching tolerance is BS and yeah it upsets a LOT of parents and most are yanking their kids out of schools. Give me the Christian run school the Christian society the Christian in politics anyday! People like Barney Frank and his ruination of the economy make me sick.

Give me that old time religion anyday because frankly,, people like you (no pun)

scare the b'jesus out of me

reply to post by UltraAgentGirl


Well, it's only a matter of time really...

The small mindedness of superstition-centered thinking is on it's way out.. Thankfully. And just like the previous version of religions and concepts of gods were completely different from the ones which came before them, the next evolution of how humanity views it's dieties (including those of atheists) will be a more integrative version than what we have today...

It's always upon the thresholds of transitions in human consciousness (not to imply growth, but change), that these conflicts come about... they always progress in an integrative manner though, building upon the past which was in itself simply an adaptation from a previous time.

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by sos37

 

Projecting at all there?

Just because you might be capable does not mean everyone else would be capable.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask how you came to the summation?

Sure, and I'm glad you asked. In the original story, look at this paragraph:

It seems the legal challenge follows a lengthy campaign by some West Bend residents to restrict access to teenage books they deemed sexually explicit from library shelves, which was eventually thrown out at the start of June.

So we know a lawsuit was already filed to restrict access to this book and was thrown out of court. Now if you don't agree with the ruling on a lawsuit what is the next thing you should be doing? Filing an appeal! So the story of turning around and filing a lawsuit "for the right to burn the book" makes no sense - is there a law in place that prohibits book burning?
If not, then why file a suit like this? Why would you file suit to establish a right that has never been taken away in the first place?

Do you see how the series of events just don't make sense?

This is why the next logical conclusion to me is that this story is a setup by left-wing activists to generate outrage against Christians.

reply to post by sos37


The Christian Civil Liberties Union is the only entity behind this.

A link from the Guardian...explaining the action www.guardian.co.uk...

I always wondered, perhaps all the Christians here can help me? Where was the Christian God before the Bible? After all, the majority of the time Earth has existed he was nowhere to be seen. Sorry to ask but if I'm going to burn books like the Nazi's did I like to be sure.

reply to post by UltraAgentGirl


God you are scary, cute and funny when you're mad

So what you are saying is...
if these individuals made the choice to be straight versus gay they wouldn't be serial killers? ...or if they were Christians or had a Christian upbring that they wouldn't be serial killers? ...if so what makes you think that a list of Christian serial killers wouldn't dwarf your list of homosexual serial killers?

Can you see how you have been consistently going out of your way to purposely distort reality?

How about some intellectual honesty for a change?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

reply to post by UltraAgentGirl


Nice try...

Very interesting since you left out all the serial killers who most certainly were not gay or bi-sexual:

The BTK killer, Ted Bundy (loved the women), the Zodiac Killer killed men AND women and didn't have sex with them either, the Green River killer, Jack the Ripper (throwing it back to the old school :lol, Eddie Gein (the Buffalo Bill character of Silence of the Lambs was based on him)...

I could also go on and on.

Edited to make my point more succinct

Also edit to add: you said in one post that you will turn the other cheek yet you immediately followed that with you will dish out whatever someone gives you.

That's not turning the other cheek. That is eye for an eye. The two are not compatible.






[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

reply to post by UltraAgentGirl


As for your grasp on reality, with regard to public schools advocating 'circle jerks, fisting and bare-backing'... you have obviously been getting your cues from watching school themed gay porn.

As for my "impartially unbiased" research on Christian camps... There are over 400 summer bible camps scattered throughout the states and canada. Considering each camp has at least a hundred kids entering as a dry sponge and exiting with the saturation of dogmatic venom and distrust of anyone who is not a Christian carbon-copy of themselves. They will go out into the world attempting at every opportunity to save it from the evils of free-speech, free-thought, free-inquiry, a women's right to choose and equal rights for all. Costing the majority of us a tremendous amount of time, money and human resources in our effort to evolve/learn/grow.

Originally posted by UltraAgentGirl

I think the only reason they wanted to do that is becauise the librarian got them so angry calling the attempt to censorship when that was not anywhere near what those parents wanted. All they wanted is to have the book placed in an age appropriate area. When she refused and made a damn blog about it mocking them as Christians trying to force their morality down everyones throats, they got pissed off and made a statment more along the lines of "You want to bitch about us trying to censorship the library? HERE is how we act when we do that!"


just so the librarian would know the difference and not be so damn presumptuous. You know, all she had to do is say she would have taken care of it. They were older from a more modest generation that most likely would have been fine with that and never saw it again.

Because she was a militant lesbian and one of the complainers worked for the Christian Civil Liberties union, she held all these angry vitriolic ideas I have seen thrown at me here by the same people sharing the same ideological views. All the while, I have had to restrain MYSELF as to not showing the difference of what I am really like when I am being less than tolerant.

Does that help?

[edit on 6/17/2009 by UltraAgentGirl]

Whoa, wait. So you just said that these Christians, who are followers of Christs teachings, got mad that somebody mocked them and escalated the issue to showing what they were really capable of to prove what exactly? How forgiving and modest they are?

And I AM NOT BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS before you say something like that. I am speaking about this particular group of Christians who felt that showing their worst side made some kind of a point. That most certainly is not following the teachings of Christ.

And how is calling someone a "militant lesbian" an example of your more tolerant side?

I'm really confused as to where any of this fits into Christs teachings.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

As far as the question of why they are suing for the right to burn the book goes...

I believe it has to do with that fact that there are burning laws in place depending on where you plan on doing a book burning. I have a feeling this group of people isn't comfortable with building a fire pit in one of their back yards or starting a fire in a trash can.

Most likely they want to have an old fashioned book burning in a public place in order to make a statement.

That would be my guess.

Also, does anyone know what's actually in the book. Is it really sexually explicit? If so, I have two comments on that:

1. Why don't they burn romance novels, I mistakenly tried to read one of those pieces of junk (IMO) and I thought it was pretty dang explicit. It made me blush
2. If it is true that it's sexually explicit and they have no problems with romance novels, then it's logical to assume that their problem is not with the graphic nature of the novel but the fact that it speaks about gay sex. In that case, DON'T READ IT. Don't let your kids read it. If someone else lets their kids read it, that's not your problem. Out of sight. Out of mind.

Lastly, from what I can tell about this book, other than the supposed graphic nature of it, it seems to me that the books main purpose is to help you identify with a person who is gay but experienced some horrible intolerance to the point of being beaten almost to death. This really happens in our society, and it is often perpetrated by people who claim to be Christians (though not always). Jesus, from what I know of him, would NEVER have approved of something so vile!

I think people, mainly some Christians, have completely failed to get the purpose of this book and would rather focus on the parts that they are uncomfortable with.

They failed to realize that this book is mostly directed to the very people who want to burn it in that the author seems to have wanted to create a character that one can have the ability to put themselves in the characters shoes (as is the case with pretty much every book that has a main character), then has the character experience horrible violence so that those people can see that no human being deserves such a thing because, if they were in there shoes, they wouldn't want it to happen to them.

How would these same Christians feel if people started taking them and beating them in alleys simply because they were Christian, which IS A CHOICE. They would be disgusted and they would demand that it stop.

Yet, interestingly enough, when a fellow human being is experiencing such a thing at any given moment they choose to turn a blind eye to it, or worse, condone it.

If you want to show how much of Christian you are and how much you love Christ and believe that his ways are THE ONLY WAY, then you would stand up and denounce this intolerant, hateful group and the severe injustices that gay people experience for most of their entire lives. You wouldn't propagate the madness.

But, instead, it seems that most are more concerned about spewing judgment and hate. It's really sad and makes me want to cry because this country and this world would have considerably less violence and hatred in it if some people were willing to take the high road and show what being a true Christian is all about.

Not resorting to a book burning to get back at someone who said things about them they didn't like.

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
reply to post by UltraAgentGirl

 

God you are scary, cute and funny when you're mad

So what you are saying is...
if these individuals made the choice to be straight versus gay they wouldn't be serial killers? ...or if they were Christians or had a Christian upbring that they wouldn't be serial killers? ...if so what makes you think that a list of Christian serial killers wouldn't dwarf your list of homosexual serial killers?

Can you see how you have been consistently going out of your way to purposely distort reality?

How about some intellectual honesty for a change?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

You're giving a either or contemplation when all I did was give a list of the most notorious serial killers. NONE were Christians and ALL were homosexual. That is not to say that all gays are serial killers only that those on the list were and that it isn't as few and far between as you had suggested with gacey.

What you called my "distorting reality" isn't a distortion at all, what it was is

a list of facts

Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by UltraAgentGirl

 

Nice try...

Very interesting since you left out all the serial killers who most certainly were not gay or bi-sexual:

The BTK killer, Ted Bundy (loved the women), the Zodiac Killer killed men AND women and didn't have sex with them either, the Green River killer, Jack the Ripper (throwing it back to the old school :lol

, Eddie Gein (the Buffalo Bill character of Silence of the Lambs was based on him)...

I could also go on and on.

Edited to make my point more succinct

Also edit to add: you said in one post that you will turn the other cheek yet you immediately followed that with you will dish out whatever someone gives you.

That's not turning the other cheek. That is eye for an eye. The two are not compatible.






[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

Nones taken my eye out and I turned the other cheek at the begining of this thread, the list is to answer a post having nothing to with all serial killers being gay and ted bundy did NOT "love" woman, he beat the living crap out of them bludgeoned them in the face to their death and got off on it. Not my idea of love and thanks for the tip on letting all the woman out there know what YOURS is

Originally posted by Imago Dei

Originally posted by Neo__
reply to post by Imago Dei

 

Yes, and the Christians have an even more interesting track record for rewriting history. It is well known that the words of the Bible are not what they started out as. It's a documented fact that what we see today as the New Testament was heavily edited at the Council of Nicaea, ordered by the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great in order to resolve the differences between the many religious factions and make Christianity the state religion. It was in Nicaea where books were burned and the text and meaning of the Gospel was edited and altered. There is also, for instance, a very strong case for the fact that last part of the Gospel of Mark was fraudently added to the Bible centuries after the original writing.

Some links that I've found (there are so many):
www.bible-researcher.com...
www.seedofabraham.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Christians today really haven't the right to be throwing stones or judging anyone. The religion has a very bad track record for persucution and deception. If only we could ask the likes of Joan of Arc or Galileo Galilei or the millions of others who died under the hand of the Church what they thought of this great religion.

Burning books is just another of a long line of misdeeds the Church is doing in the name of Christ. I can only hope that Christ Himself will one day look at what's been done in his name and forgive them all.




[edit on 16-6-2009 by Neo__]

This is a post I made in a another thread on Lucifer and doesnt give the opportunituy to show what it was in response to, why have you cut and pasted into this thread if I might ask??

I take it that you think taking things out of context makes it truth do you? Well it doesn't.

The council of Nicea, means diddley squat to me by the way, the god of this world creates councils and false fronts all over the show to make things appear credible, which is why there are such things as conspiracy forums for well informed people who know and realise these things.

And the biggest conspiracy of them all is about discrediting the Holy Bible, which only proves to show one thing, It is the truth and satan hates every word of it. Stay on topic if you dont mind.

Moving on...

[edit on 17-6-2009 by Imago Dei]

I'm so sorry, I got my forums mixed (still kind of new at this).

I do think that at least part of my post was on topic, however. The foundation of the Christian religion itself is based on book burnings and bias, so it's not too surprising to see this still promoted by some.

reply to post by nunya13


Now you know why the parents wanted this moved, they picked it up not expecting to read such material because it was not in the right area of the library. You'll notice in the begining they didn't want it burned, they only wanted it moved to an age appropriate area. So what do you think enraged them so much they now want it burned?

Could it be that gays just don't care what other people think while they scream and complain telling everyone else like the MAJORITY that THEY are the intolerant ones? Was it us imposing our morality on them or THEM imposing their on us when they wanted to change the definition of marriage and again the MAJORITY quitely said NO and again they got intolerant raiding churchs and blaiming Christianity sort of like you did when you said:

Lastly, from what I can tell about this book, other than the supposed graphic nature of it, it seems to me that the books main purpose is to help you identify with a person who is gay but experienced some horrible intolerance to the point of being beaten almost to death. This really happens in our society, and it is often perpetrated by people who claim to be Christians

Why don't they burn romance novels, I mistakenly tried to read one of those pieces of junk (IMO) and I thought it was pretty dang explicit. It made me blush


It is often the Christians that do this? No it isn't and it is NO and 98% of the violence they do experience in 911 calls are domestic violence perpetrated on their gay lover. This is the same BALONEY PBS tried to convey and many pushing for hate crimes legislation to protect the poor poor homosexual all because lil matthew sheppard got his homosexual face beat beyond all recognition and all Christians got the blunt end of the blame when it was one of Mats Bi-sexual lovers and past drug customers who did it but THAT never got mentioned in the PBS documentary and why?

Because that wouldn't bode well for their crys of being a victim of abuse needing special hate crimes protection. Oprah did the same thing suggesting it was only Gays that get teased and bullied in schools when that is not true.

In other words the same violence we keep seeing happening because Christians exercise their right to vote the way they are allowed to and are attacked in the media and in churchs where a week doesn't go by and some group of gays are pulling some sick stunt in a church somewhere or beating up an old lady just for carrying a cross at a demonstration or bitching about a referendum screaming because they can't tolerate the voice of the people. THIS kind of ignorance that people like you and the op keep pushing till tolerance for Gays is and has already shown signs that people are fed up with it and they are PUSHING their luck.


Take Proposition 8 it was not evil and done out of "intolerance" or the desire to "impose other people's religious principles on everybody else." In fact, it had nothing to do with it.

Actually, it is the other side ( presumably YOUR side...) the one that has been making a wonderful display of intolerance and lack of respect for the will of the majority. You are the ones who want to change the definition of a word to suit your own agenda.

They are the ones who want to impose their will on others, when the people have already spoken, and quietly told you:"No."

People like me just want to keep the definition the way it has always been because there is simply nothing wrong with it.

The book purports to suggest that Gays are the subject of discrimination and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Economically, they make more money than your average straights

Jobs, they don't seem to have a problem getting work and like I said, they make more money than most.

They buy homes anywhere they wish so they are not discriminated against there and face no class distinctive barriers to any purchase of realestate.

EXAMPLE this was an article from a gay website and explains why they are putting a bill through to make it legal to have public sex in places like bathrooms and state public parks.

Gays keep encroaching on everyone with their sexual ori and you don't have to be a Christian to be sick of it, here tolerate THIS disgusting "stuff" and notice what the editior says about how the News channel as being bigoted against them. My God do they not even begin to see how any intolerance they might get is because of THIS kind of behavior?

Do I have to look around like prey because I am now aware their are homosexuals having sex where my family is having a picnic in a state park and one of my kids might stumble on to it?

In this book you find a link to a website www.lambdalegal.org...

New comments added January, 2007:
"WSVN Channel 7 news did a scathing report on what the 'bad men' were doing in the park!. Interviews with cops, and blurry video of the 'perverts' being arrested. Hard to believe a station which has more homo and lez anchors than any other in south Florida would stoop to such yellow journalism. Not that they should win a Pulitzer Prize for any of their 'news' but please Channel 7, stick with important news like babies being born in taxis, and cars with eldery drivers making Walgreen's a drive-thru!" … Heads Up! [Somebody alert GLAAD to this "anti-gay" media travesty! How dare those bullies at WSVN consider it newsworthy that grown men are copulating like animals, or worse, in a public park frequented by families and children. - Ed.]
>> Pembroke Lakes Mall, Pembroke Pines. Cruisy toilet in the food court. Located off of Pines Blvd. Exit Pines Blvd from I-75. Pembroke Lakes Mall is on the north side of the street about five miles east of I-75.
>> Pompano Beach Public Beach (16th Street Beach), Pompano Beach. Cruisy beach. Take Highway 1 north of Atlantic Blvd. about two miles. Go east on 14th Street Causeway over bridge and left at light to 16th Street. The beach is on the right.
>> Pompano Farmers Market, on Atlantic Blvd., Pompano Beach. Cruisy toilet in truck stop.
New comments added September, 2006:
"Usually someone is there in the evenings looking to suck [a male sex organ] through the gloryhole. [Can you imagine anything more degrading than this?-Ed.] It is in mens' room in the hall on the north side of the restaurant. Usually very quiet there but I get [vulgar description of oral sodomy] …
New comments added October, 2006:
"This place is hot. I have met some hot looking older men here. The gloryhole action is great. Just be discreet when you use the bathroom."

Yeah and ya know what people like you try to do when I bring this kind of thing up is call me hateful and bigoted when you are as ignorant as that gay editor not having a clue that this kind of thing makes MOST Americans cringe in disgust. That list below it, ya know what THAT IS??

That is a place where they list "hot spots" for public sex with COMPLETE STRANGERS!

Their was more in there but what an education I just got and now it doesn't seem such a bad Idea we mobilize and ridicule this RIGHT BACK into the CLOSET

Call me any damn thing you like, this lifestyle is disgusting

Originally posted by nunya13


Whoa, wait. So you just said that these Christians, who are followers of Christs teachings, got mad that somebody mocked them and escalated the issue to showing what they were really capable of to prove what exactly? How forgiving and modest they are?

And I AM NOT BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS before you say something like that. I am speaking about this particular group of Christians who felt that showing their worst side made some kind of a point. That most certainly is not following the teachings of Christ.

And how is calling someone a "militant lesbian" an example of your more tolerant side?

I'm really confused as to where any of this fits into Christs teachings.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by nunya13]

You know why you are confused?

Because you can not follow a thread! How many times did I say it is not known if they were all Christians but more than that is WHAT IF THEY WERE? Do you think Christians are the only people that have some kind of family values or is it that in your mind it is JUST Christians that get in the way of Gays having their every little lustfull depravity indulged

[edit on 6/17/2009 by UltraAgentGirl]

Originally posted by UltraAgentGirl
You're giving a either or contemplation when all I did was give a list of the most notorious serial killers. NONE were Christians and ALL were homosexual. That is not to say that all gays are serial killers only that those on the list were and that it isn't as few and far between as you had suggested with gacey.

What you called my "distorting reality" isn't a distortion at all, what it was is a list of facts

Ok then... let me say it this way... you are distorting the reality of the facts by just cup and pasting a list from one of your homophobic sources... with no reference to the fact that there are more serial killers that are either religious and/or come from strict religious backgrounds... which for the record, both Gacy and jeffery Dahmer were raised by fundamentalist Christians, if that means anything to you.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by The All Seeing I]

reply to post by UltraAgentGirl


Well congratulations you have successfully killed the thread by scaring everyone away ... you could replace homosexual with black and sound just like a raving racist

So i guess it's just you and i till the very end...
I'll leave you with these parting words...

This thread has been derailed badly from both sides. While I'm sure the OP figured he would get a nice kick out of demonising Christians and seeing others bash and blame the whole religion, it kinda backfired. By looking at the varied posts in this thread, you can see that there is no generic Christian as you try to imply.

In regards to the literal title of the thread, most have said they disagree with the individuals who take such actions. Books are optional reading - yes, the bible too is OPTIONAL reading - and if you do not like the contents simply ignore it and don't borrow it. Of course a rally on the other side of town where homosexual atheists burn and urinate on bibles is not worthy of your attention. Not possible for there to be a pro-gay, anti-Christian, atheist agenda in the works? Doubt you would start a thread based on that type of situation.

You attempted to push the thread in a different direction by stating without providing any proof that "homosexuality is caused by genetic factors." The studies you have googled and linked have as much bias and conflict of interest as the ones you have denounced as being so. But this is acceptable, because you have a higher, more advanced understanding of reality than the average person. Or so, that's what your brain probably tells your conscience.

This thread is officially dead.

Free speech indeed. If they wanna do something as silly as burn a book, then there shouldn't even be any question to it.

Originally posted by Imago Dei
Umm Christians believe unbelievers need to be saved it's a major part of the religion you say you respect and state you have no problem with? And you just said believers are misguided and then insist on them not saying the same about you? Very peculiar dont you think? Stop saying you dont have a problem with it when clearly you do unless of course this is part of athiesm in which case if it is by all means carry on.

The only thing I have aproblem with is being arrogantly dismissed by many of you christians because your religion tells you I am misguided for not believeing. I personally believe religion is bogus, but I will not dismiss someone's reasoning because they are christian provided that reasoning is backed by fact and not faith.

Originally posted by Imago Dei
You say you read the book, you may have forgotten the part that said only God via the Holy Spirit can lead you to believe, another human being can not make you believe in God.

Why would I have forgotten? Is it so hard to believe I read it and did not believe or find divine inspiration in its pages. To me its nothing more than a collection of moral stories in the hands of moderate christians and a tool of oppression in the hands of conservative christians.

Originally posted by Imago Dei
However, and you wont like this one little bit, God created us with an inbuilt desire to know Him, it is part of our make up as human beings.

This entire statement is based on faith, how is this supposed to have any meaning to me? Can you prove this is true without telling me it must be found spiritually? Now because I don't believe or find any meaning in this statement, christians will dismiss me due to my misguided soul and hope for my salvation.

Back on topic though

Male penguins raise adopted chick

Two "gay" male penguins have hatched a chick and are now rearing it as its adoptive parents, says a German zoo.

The zoo, in Bremerhaven, northern Germany, says the adult males - Z and Vielpunkt - were given an egg which was rejected by its biological parents.

It says the couple are now happily rearing the chick, said to have reached four weeks old.

The zoo made headlines in 2005 over plans to "test" the sexual orientation of penguins with homosexual traits.

Three pairs of male penguins had been seen attempting to mate with each other and trying to hatch offspring from stones.

Obviously homosexuality is not restricted to apes, many species exhibit that behaviour. So where exactly does the nurture theory come into play in the wild? Did god not create all life in christian belief? If homosexuality is a sin why would god create life that does not follow a locked heterosexual pattern? Or did god give all the animals and insects free will aswell?




[edit on 18-6-2009 by FreeSpeaker]