Internet access 'is a fundamental human right'

reply to post by tristar


Agreed. I think it is clear the internet is already being monitored and we have the evidence tighter control over it is planned for the future. We should all feel concerned.

But it is more than that. The separation of the powers is fundamental in a democracy. Executive, legislature, judiciary must remain independant and autonomous. With the HADOPI law, the executive is trying to obtain the power to sanction citizens on offence allegations bypassing the judiciary. It's an abuse. Plain and simple.
There is a strong popular opposition to this law in France. It receives a lot of attention and talking. Hopefully, we can still trust our Conseil Constitutionnel but the fight is not over.

The French governement is hiding his true goal arguing they want to defend the intellectual property of the artists, the pirates are offenders stealing cultural works and harming arts and culture. They sweet talk us, they want to strike a chord with us because it's about arts.
Offenders should be sent to court. Period.

At EU level, the same kind of law denying independant investigation and a fair trial to alleged offenders is part of a "telecom law pack" supposed to defend consumer rights and save jobs. Nothing less
Again sweet talking. EU member states have already negociated and agreed on this law package. The legislative power is shared by the EU Council and the EU parliament. The EU Council is the institution where each EU member states government is represented. The Council is ok with the law being promulgated. It only takes the EU Parliament to stop it from being applied. There is no institution like the Supreme Court/Conseil Constitutionnel in the EU. We are only one step from an official denial of fair justice and equity in European democracies.
That's the reason why the Swede Pirate Party managed to have a representative elected to the EU Parliament. The Swedes don't advocate piracy, they are concerned about their freedom. Pirates because of their knowledge of how the internet works understand there is a real danger of mass surveillance and they have convinced part of their fellow-countrymen.

Across Europe, there is only little awareness of what is happening. Nobody knows about the 'telecom package'. It's sad. There is an important political struggle taking place, now, in front of our eyes.

Apacheman, I think it is only roughly related to this news from China and not in the way you are implying.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by Manouche]

If your (so-called) proclaimed right imposes a demand, or requirement, upon someone else to do something for you in order to create or fulfill that (so-called) right, then it is NOT a right, but a privilege. Your RIGHTS can not enslave another to do something for you. This is the big mistake people make with health care too. "It's my right to have my broken down ass fixed, so get to work slave, fix my ass." WRONG! Lets not confuse a right with a privileged.

reply to post by apacheman


Hi there,

I have other threads relating to what you mentioned so ill just give you a small extract from article and a link at the end for the that thread.

China is requiring personal computers sold in the country to carry software that blocks online pornography and other Web sites, potentially giving one of the world's most sophisticated censorship regimes even more control over the Internet.

The software's developer said Monday the tool would give parents more oversight by preventing computers from accessing sites with pornographic pictures or language. Jinhui Computer System Engineering Co., which won a government contract to develop the "Green Dam-Youth Escort" filtering software, was compiling a database of sites to block.

and as always once such a market like that opened it was only a matter of time when you would have heard that market being covered like this

Having identified China as a key growing market, Japanese computer manufacturers are racing to meet the country’s new requirement for personal computers to have pre-installed filtering software designated by the government, starting next month.

The Chinese government said Tuesday it will require all PCs sold in mainland China, including foreign made products, to have government-designated software that blocks access to certain sites from July 1 onwards.

At a time when the global economic slump has dented demand for PCs in the U.S. and European markets, China is a promising market where Japanese manufacturers anticipate robust sales.

Japanese makers such as Toshiba Corp and Sony Corp are therefore hurrying to meet the deadline. But with less than one month until the requirement takes effect, they have limited information about the software, while their rivals in China are reportedly making PCs pre-installed with the software, industry officials said.

Link to other thread and news

Glad to see the French are keeping on the spear's tip when it comes to human rights.

Now they need to declare a sub 100 ping to your gaming server, unlimited Doritos, pizza, and Mountain Dew human rights and they'll make a lot of people happy.

reply to post by tristar


Do you see the problem with the press nowadays and how people make use of it ?

Make a catchy headline, not informative but catchy. People read the headline and come up with an opinion.
Case closed. Next news.

People don't bother to understand the articles or the issues.
I am not blaming you, you do a good job of finding these articles.

Internet access is fundamental to e-commerce, government, military and the elite. It is not fundamental to fundamentalists, extremists and dissenters. They must, in the interest of the new world order, be blocked and denied access, banned and removed from the productive potential that should be inherent to the "Internet"

Sincerely,

Big Bro

Totally agree, the e-market is a huge market, although you do need some luck and well positioned and structured outlay before you begin to even make some small margin of profit.

But like the above post said, many just jump on the title of any news article and move on. But i guess that's normal, hell, i have experimented that on this site and its totally true.

You can notice the difference in my threads, ones that attract a particular group of readers and the others attract a broader spectrum readers. Its the minority of readers who end up posting that seriously make you evaluate, search and respond. I guess thats what makes interaction with particular posters all the more interesting as time goes by.

I don't agree that the Internet is a fundamental human right. That implies that everybody should have it no matter what. Including pedo's rapists other sex offenders as well as people who can't necessarily afford it and people who don't even own a computer.

This kind of statement is just another example of how we as a race are becoming way to dependent on technology in general.

The internet is not a fundamental human right. It is, and always will be, a commodity.

Originally posted by titorite
ELECTRICITY IS NOT A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT! Nor is the internet which can only work IF you have electricity to power it..

[edit on 13-6-2009 by titorite]

Jeez, get a solar panel(s), converter and wireless IP connection.

Best case, the govt. come clean on zero-point energy sources and nobody has to pay for energy/electricity again...