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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:58 PM by triplesod










reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:08 PM by newworld
WOw that's too much, I completely disagree with you.
video games, movies, and T.V. are not good for you if they are ABUSED daily as an addiction. In fact, if used with moderation, they can be quite instructive if used moderately. What you watch in T.V. is a form of art (called acting by the way), video games are art (a more advance form of storytelling in most games) and movies can serve as a way to inform about society and culture.
In fact, I decided to become a writer BECAUSE of video games. I don't play them during semesters of school because i don't have time, but video games are what sparked my mind to choose this career path.
If a video game can make a story more interesting, then why not learn something about these games and see what you can take from it to write better stories?
I say give them back the playstation, with only a handful of (good) games. give them back the T.V. and place some limits on when they can watch and block a few channels if you want. Offer them excellent books. Remember, reading can also sometimes be as useless as playing a horrible game if the book is crap; just because you read a book doesn't mean you are better than the people who decide to play video games.
All that stuff you took away from them can actually spark their imagination. They might even meet their best friends and get relationships in the future BECAUSE of those electronics.
but you are the parent, you decide what you want to do with your kids. But I still think you made a very extreme and unnecessary decision (you could have taken a few of the games, placed limits on how long they can plat, etc)


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:38 PM by Rockpuck
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Good for you! .. I own a TV and a DVD Player, movies for the weekends. I don't pay for cable or watch that crap they call "prime time tv".. I read. ..

And when I have kids, there will be no dish in my yard, or cable with a thousand channels, or every conceivable play station type platform .. just books, imagination and a big back yard.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:40 PM by sinesolis
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I'm sorry but I have to say, this seems incredibly rash, lazy and also somewhat unbelievable in how well you've described it working out.

I have 2 children (15yrs and 7yrs neither of which give us any trouble) and I don't deny them the ability to play games and watch TV, but I do it the way it should be done. Reasonably and sensibly, by putting limits on the amount of time a day they are allowed to spend with said activities. Also by only allowing certain types of media to be indulged, and by taking an active role in what they are interested in and helping to guide them towards healthy pursuits.

I'm sorry, to me it seems like all you've done here is taken the easiest option for you while not really considering all of the ramifications of your actions. If it truly has worked out for you as well as you think/claim it has then good for you, but don't expect it to last.

Also you said "I noticed my kids playing outside and talking with their friends and a lot of the conversations revolved around the movies they watched or video games they played."

I say maybe you should have been glad they were playing outside to begin with. What you've done feels like more of a preemptive punishment and lazy parenting than something beneficial for your children in the long term.

But do what you like, it's a free country after all, I'd just hate to see you resent having made an over zealous choice when your kids decide to start sneaking TV and games at their friend's houses.

You see you've set up a scenario in which they will find a way to get their fix, and without you having been a responsible guiding voice for them they will eventually find media that you would normally surely have protested, but since they will be doing it beyond your purview you will have no idea the kinds of things that they will find. They themselves may not even realize what they are watching is bad since you were neglect in your duty to more patiently manage their consumption when you could.

For all applauding this, step of the crazy bus for a minute and think about all of the possible ways of dealing with it before going the "zero exposure" route.

If you've mishandled something this "relatively harmless", how are you going to handle their teenage years and relationships with the opposite sex etc, will you bolt the doors and force them to never be out of your site?

Be careful not to build to many of these types of "zero exposure" barriers, or you could see really negative ramifications in the future.

To have done this type of thing without having a discussion about it with them, your thoughts on it, or that it may even be a self-meditated option, you robbed yourself and your children an important path to conversation about why you feel they needed less exposure to begin with. Instead you used an excessive heavy hand, and that is shameful .



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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:50 PM by TurkeyBurgers
Here is what Video Game consoles are capable of today!

I own a PlaStation3. This gaming console is AMAZING!
Sure it plays video games. BUT IT IS SO MUCH MORE!

It has a web browser! This is just like Firefox or whatever web browser you currently use to access the internet.

You can hook a keyboard up to the PlayStation 3.

You can Hook a Digital Camera or Camcorder up to the Internet.
Pictures of the family and friends. Pictures of Nature that your kid might have taken themselves. You can upload these images to your own storage space that is on the PlayStation 3's hard drive. Sort, Edit enhance.

You can Store and download music with the PlayStation 3. You said your kid has a IPOD? Want to encourage your children to have access to all different types of music? This bad boy does it! Chopin, Mozart, Ludwig Van, Janis Joplin, Elvis Presley, The Jonas Brothers can ALL have a place at the table!

Friends Lists. Your kids can keep in touch with friends and family members that live far away. Not much difference between a phone call and a video conference. Oh YES the PlayStation Triple DOES have video conferencing.

Why just Talk to Grandma in Florida when little Suzi Q can See Grandmas smile and Grandma can see those beautiful blue eyes! BOOP! Download complete. AWWW Grandma just got the email attachment of little Suzie Q's collection of Family Pictures that she took! This makes Grandma a veryy happy Grandma

Did you know that scientists have linked 16 PlayStation 3's together to create a Super Computer and are using it to study Black Holes?

www.universetoday.com...

Did you know that PlayStation 3 gamers can aid medical research?

www.post-gazette.com...

I feel like a salesman here. I am just trying to show you the Video game consoles of today are NOT the Mario Brothers of the 80's.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:50 PM by AccessDenied
Originally posted by triplesod
Originally posted by AccessDenied


Wow...
I truly don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks of my parenting, good or bad.
And quite frankly, I didn't start this thread to debate whether Iam a good parent or not, or to debate the topic of homeschooling- there are other threads on that subject here, and you are welcome to read my posted contributions there, not here.
If you wish to debate the topic of the affects of kids watching tv, movies and playing video games, then so be it...let's go for it.
But keep the personal attacks out of the thread. You don't know me, or my children..don't pretend to. And I'm certainly not in anyway forcing my decision on other people.


I said I hope that wasn't the reason you did it. Therefore, I haven't presumed that it was the reason. As you said, I don't know you well enough to presume any such thing and I wouldn't be so judgemental to decide that I do.

I do hope you didn't do all this and type about it here for the sake of what others think of you. I also hope you didn't do it because you are an evil witch who wants to make your kid's lives as miserable and without joy as possible. Or that you want to fatten your kids up to cook them (you would have kept the TV around if that were the case, anyway). Of course I would never think that was the case but it is still my hope none the less.

And now you have told me that the thought never entered your mind, I believe you.


THIS is how you debate a topic? When you have reduced yourself to name calling- argument lost.
I do not see how watching TV can improve the lives of my children...at all.
If you can show me proof of otherwise..then do so.



reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:53 PM by triplesod
Originally posted by AccessDenied
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Wow- You quote another member? Great debate.


Hmm. Another kop out from you, AD. You know very well that I had written up a long post to you about this previous to me quoting Steven. You know that because you replied to it and answered me.

In this post you have quoted, I quoted Steven myself to show living proof to back up my previous post and to show the experience which goes against your supposition.

So, it's a bit cheap of you to criticise me in such an underhanded manner. If you wanted to further the debate, you could have replied to Stephen but I see you have steered well clear of his post.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:55 PM by AccessDenied
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I see no point in debating parenting skills, with a 17 year old.
Plain and simple.
And the cop out is from the one who keeps pushing the posts of others, and not creating his own.
Now- if you wish to debate TV versus no TV..then do so.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:00 PM by mattifikation
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It sounded like that poster was saying they hoped somebody *doesn't* call Child Services on you. This is a messed up world, and there are people who would probably do that.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:00 PM by maus80
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I went to multiple schools in the midwest, growing up in the 80's and 90's, and I never saw much of that, it seemed to me more a thing of the past that has been played up by media, movies, and tv.

In every school I attended there were Pentecostal, Mormon, Islamic etc kids with extreme limitations on what they were allowed to be exposed to.

They did NOT get picked on for this. Any moans and groans over a movie/book/music being deemed inappropriate on their behalf for classroom consumption were quickly met with shushes and dirty looks from fellow students.

The poor kids had wealthy friends who helped them out at every chance with clothes, toiletries, etc.

The mentally challenged kids sat with everyone else, and the ones that were somewhat segregated by the disruptive/disconnecting nature of their ailments still had plenty of friends, and even cheerleaders would take turns sitting at their tables.

The gay kids were considered "edgey" and inspired a lot of curiosity, about the worst they got were stereotypes like being asked for fashion tips, etc.

What got kids hated on, shunned, picked on? Being bullies. Being liars. Bragging and belittling.

Children have morals and empathy, and it seems like we force rat-race "the worse you are the better I am" mentality on them because we refuse to believe it could be any other way. They don't set the trends, they succumb to them, and you are just completely wrong. The challenge of every new generation has always been to absorb all of the good of previous generations, while trying to overcome and leave behind their shortcomings.

If ONE good thing can be said for the information age, it is that through desensitizing and overexposing children to the diverse nature of existance, they tend to be able to see through superficial things and find what is common and shared by all, while developing a true zeal for seeking out, celebrating, and nurturing the unique and special.

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