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posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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I commend you and your brave decisions.

Good one


xxx




posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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Well Done AD.

This is something i feel strongly about because i have seen the effects video games have on a child. My nephew at age 11 had anger and withdrawal issues and as neck and back problems as well all which my sister associated with his constant gameboy playing. She 'limited' his playing to an hour a week and noticed almost instantly a change in not only his behaviour though his aching back/neck.

I am having my first child in 6 weeks so really have to think about how much technology i will allow into his/her life. I imagine i will allow alittle but will tend more toward being an 'active' parent and take my child outside and give them a visual stimuli that they can touch and smell.

People can say that times have changed now and letting your children out on the streets with their friends, or own, is not an option any longer though why not get off your behinds and take them to a park, museum ect and stop putting being an active parent in the too hard basket.

We can all judge peoples/parents choices in life though it will get us no where. If AD thinks that no television ect is the best option for her children then kudos to her. Really guys its not the be all or end all.



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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That's great! Try not to relapse. :-> The mental habit will come back around at sometime. Be prepared for it.



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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You have done an amazing thing by taking away the garbage that ruins our lives as we know it today.

I have lost a few friends to the "World of Warcraft" world... and let me tell you first hand. It sucks. They never want to hang out, they always just want to level up one more time... or even worse when I do get together with them, they bring their laptops and its back to square one.

What happened to late nights... playing kickball outside till the porch lights come on? what happened to running home after school just to get rid of your back pack so you could go meet up with your friends? or bike riding around the neighborhood looking for other kids to play with?

I would give almost anything to have video games cost a quarter at the local pizzeria again.

Face it guys... television and video games are ruining the American culture and our lives. Kids are becoming fat and tend to only excel at pwning n00bs in Call of Duty 4, but when it comes to their grades... they're slipping. They're lying to their parents about why their homework wasn't done, and worst off... their life experiences are disintegrating. When I was younger, I would go anywhere I could, just to get out of the house. I would get together with friends and just stay out all day until it started to get dark. I learned life lessons by experiencing things first hand, not by watching a television. With my friends I learned how to ride a bike two wheeled, how to do a back flip off a swing, how to shoot off a bottle rocket my friend had stolen from his older brother, how to win at manhunt, how to have a camp out in the back yard with the tent and a few friends, how to bounce someone really high on a trampoline, and how to get a girl to like you. ...all of this seems so far away now.

Kids watch tv and think "hey Hannah Montana dresses like this... so I should" ... and girls are beginning to acquire a sassier, sluttier attitude at a much younger age now. People want to be like their favorite O.C. character and have all the girls/guys... but what happened to just being who you are? Becoming what you were meant to be by experiencing what life without television has to offer... making us unique instead of like everyone else. kids are so plastic now. fake and shallow. The Disney channel has turned into a beauty pageant, and Walt Disney is rolling in his grave.

geez... what happened to being excited to watch Saturday morning cartoons for a a few hours and then spend the rest of the day outside? now its all day every day garbage!

To be quite honest, its not even young kids anymore... its grown adults too. You see people reading about "jon and kate plus eight" all the time now, and never hear the end of it. You always know what happened on last weeks episode of Lost, and I guarantee you that the majority of your conversations with people these days involve at least one quote from a movie or from a television show.

its really sad and upsetting to say the least that television and video games has had such a big impact on our lives.

To the OP... you have done a great thing, and god bless you. Maybe people will begin to smart up and follow in your footsteps... but we can only dream.



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Anomen
I have lost a few friends to the "World of Warcraft" world... and let me tell you first hand. It sucks. They never want to hang out, they always just want to level up one more time... or even worse when I do get together with them, they bring their laptops and its back to square one.

What happened to late nights... playing kickball outside till the porch lights come on? what happened to running home after school just to get rid of your back pack so you could go meet up with your friends? or bike riding around the neighborhood looking for other kids to play with?

I would give almost anything to have video games cost a quarter at the local pizzeria again.

Face it guys... television and video games are ruining the American culture and our lives. Kids are becoming fat and tend to only excel at pwning n00bs in Call of Duty 4, but when it comes to their grades... they're slipping. They're lying to their parents about why their homework wasn't done, and worst off... their life experiences are disintegrating.

[...]

its really sad and upsetting to say the least that television and video games has had such a big impact on our lives.




Wow, thanks for the for the impressive first hand knowledge summation of what's happening to American kids.

The kid as gaming and media junkie phenomenon has become so widespread in suburban America it's called normal now.

I was lucky enough to have friends who played sports, wanted to explore the city, rode bikes till the sun went down. We had more personal shared adventures by the time we were in high school than some of these kids will have in their own lives. You learn the most important body-mind skills from doing things, not watching them on a screen.

As I always used to tell my nephew about sex, the real thing beats watching a porn movie.

Mike



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by SonicInfinity
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You're missing the point. Millions of people used to live without telephones. Should we get rid of the evil, addictive telephone? What about the millions who used to live without light bulbs and electricity? Might as well move to a cave in the mountains!

There are some people that hate change, and some who adapt with it. What's good for you may not be good for others. What about people who have been socially inept from the get-go? What about people who are vocal and like acting?

If people want to be fat, lazy, watch television all day, browse through YouTube videos until their eyes are red, and live secluded from all of humanity for their life, they will do so, and no amount of "this is bad for you" will stop them. Just because their life style and perspective is different from yours does not make yours any more right.

You may believe it makes you more intelligent, happy, and complete, but it doesn't make you right.


Exactly my thoughts. Children must learn how to be responsible using current technology. Denying them to do so can make them worse later on.
Like the kid denied video games then discovers World of Warcraft later on, he may become an addict with no sense of moderation.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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You never really stop and think how much time in your life is taken away by what is deemed "Entertainment".
My kids were turning into zombies...and I couldn't let that happen.


The word Entertain means (or comes from) "enter the tin". This method of putting your mind in the tin has been used for thousands of years - theaters (plays) and books nowadays are replaced by games and films.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheOracle
Children must learn how to be responsible using current technology. Denying them to do so can make them worse later on.

Like the kid denied video games then discovers World of Warcraft later on, he may become an addict with no sense of moderation.


Without wanting to get mean-spirited about it, using the same logic you have to worry about your kid later becoming a coc aine addict if you don't let them try crack like other kids at school?

I think this got moved away from the original thesis anyway. This isn't about prohibition of kids playing video games, watching TV, or banning the use of modern entertainment technology.

Just not a staple in the home any more than cupboards full of junk food isn't healthy.

Mike



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by TheOracle
Children must learn how to be responsible using current technology. Denying them to do so can make them worse later on.

Like the kid denied video games then discovers World of Warcraft later on, he may become an addict with no sense of moderation.


Without wanting to get mean-spirited about it, using the same logic you have to worry about your kid later becoming a coc aine addict if you don't let them try crack like other kids at school?

I think this got moved away from the original thesis anyway. This isn't about prohibition of kids playing video games, watching TV, or banning the use of modern entertainment technology.

Just not a staple in the home any more than cupboards full of junk food isn't healthy.

Mike




WOW! After 14 pages..FINALLY somebody GETS IT. Geez....
Thanks Mike...
Now I'm outta here.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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How can you say not letting your kids try coc aine, in any way correlates to not letting your kids watch tv/play video games? As if your kids are going to end up being skeletons in front of the Tv when you get home one day. Cocaine is so much worse than Television/Electronics, it shouldn't even be compared. You don't need life-long rehab to recover from watching television. Sitting in front a Tv is not going to kill you. Overdosing on coke can though, along with life-long addiction to it.

As a parent it's your duty to be as open to your child as possible to any situation. To educate them, give them common sense, prepare them for the world as best you can. Banning someone against doing a certain activity will cause the person/child to rebel and do it anyway, only without your supervision, awareness, and protection.

Whenever I got curious about certain topics about something my parents were very open. When I grew interested in alcohol, they didn't ban me, or put it up. They let me drink it only under their supervision, so I didn't get drunk and do something stupid. They didn't hide their gun, they made me aware of it, they taught me how to use it and how powerful it was so that I never handled it without being at the shooting range. Now I hardly ever drink, have never smoked, and know how to use a gun should I ever need to.

I am so glad you weren't my parent growing up.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:11 AM
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Yeah, well, I know I'm gonna get flamed for this...

But how is reading a lot of books different from watching a lot of TV? I mean, what happens is the same, just the source is different and with less noise for the people in the same room. I'm a writer, I read a lot myself, so don't get me wrong. But you can learn a lot from watching Discovery or History Channel, an you can do a lot for your cognitive skils by playing certain video games. So it isn't all bad. What you have to know is how to dosate. That's all. The problem is that people nowadays do not have the discipline anymore. There is still a 'off' button on your remote.

The brain needs some mindless entertainment to relax sometimes. There is nothing wrong with that. That's just human nature.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:16 AM
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Drugs are a completely different topic. You can teach your child that they are bad and your child might never even think of using any but if your child has no tv or video games while growing up he might get addicted by it while at a friends house or when he or she grows up. Then tv and video games will be a new and interesting thing to your adult child.
It's just lazy parenting that causes acts like this. The parent is incompetent at setting limits to their child and desides to get rid of the problem. What the parent should really deal with is the source of the problem, the Parent.

Edit: If you don't like the garbage shown on tv then get a few quality channels. I personally enjoy watching all those Discovery channels like Discovery Travel & Living, Discovery World, Discovery Science and Nat Geo Wild. They don't advertise any garbage.

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I used to pwn n00bs too in Counter Strike and Red Alert 2 during my school days. My grades were above average and the grades of my teammate's too..

While the other kids were outside enjoying the "nature", that means they were drinking and smoking etc and their grades were crap. We did enjoy the nature too. Went skateboarding after playing Tony Hawk's pro skater.


So AD you better put your kids into cages. You can't keep alcohol and drugs away from them like you can keep the tv and video games.


[edit on 15/6/2009 by DGFenrir]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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Again where I come from you need some sort of certificate or diploma to be able to educate; since you seem so fit to do it at every turn. So have fun in your imaginary wonderland where your zero diploma self can educate whoever he wants. I on the other hand will live in the real world where anyone without an education is taken less credibly. Again done. Enjoy wonderland Alice.

Pathetic Simply Pathetic.


P.S. Hitler was a perfect man for your list, that actually shows my point that people without an education shouldn't be given the least amount of power. Because what happens? The moron trys to genecide the planet. Thanks for grabbing the shovel your self that ditch just keeps getting deeper.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by NoJoker13]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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I have read every post in this thread, as I wish others would do instead of asking the same question over and over, and then then 3 replies from the end Capuccino asks the very question I was going to ask.

Why are books so much better?

One thread had someone saying that he and his mother read a book then swap and read the other one, a total afternoon of none interaction, except to swap. If they watched the film of the same books they can discuss it together at the same time as things are happening. They are doing something together not seperate.

I agree that a book allows the imagination to develop but there is nothing wrong with reading a book then watching the film, this gives an idea of how someone else sees a character, and how a character can be developed. A child reading Treasure Island would probably have a very different image of Long John Silver to how the rest of us see him due to the films or tv programmes we have seen.

Yesterday evening me and my daughter (11 by the way) watched the final BBC episode of South Pacific, she was very interested and asked loads of questions concernng the over fishing, loss of reefs and how they are being protected, etc. If she was learning that through a book and I was reading a different one we wouldn't have had the same interaction and question/answer sessions. so a TV can be a valuable learning tool.


We also watch the BBC news together everyday, she is one of the few in her class who know much about current affairs, who certain politicians are, how Swine flu is spreading etc. So a TV can be a valuable learning tool.

We have one games console, a Wii, not a lot different to a lot of board games as we can play together, although it is a lot more physical for most games.

So all in all the technology devices can be benificial if they are used in a benificial way, if they become babysitting devices then that is the fault of the parents as they are the ones that decide who babysits their children.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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Well Hurray! I'm glad I'm not the only one. I did not scan trough the entire thread, but indeed, why abolish one or the other? To much of everything is not good. Allthough I could use a lot of sleep, but that's a different story.

Anyway, It's better to utulize something to your means then to say it's from the devil and get rid of it. That's not very imaginative, now is it?



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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I agree.

To me a book is a different form of entertainment from a tv show. Books are more individual and give different forms of imagination than what a TV show would. But, as books give only descriptive visual imagination, TV, can inspire more deeply thought out mental stimulation. Even more so with Video games. I got into learning and discussing different forms of philosophy because of a game called BioShock.

Each one encourages different types of mental stimulation and imagination. Video games develop cognitive thought processes, along with critical thinking skills, and increasing the development of a rational human being. TV does much a little of both, and encourages both visual stimulation and critical thinking skills if used correctly. Books are my personal favorite because I love being isolated. This inspires so much visual imagination, and for a moment make you a part of that world. It takes you away from any troubles in your life, you might be having.

And kudos to you for educating your daughter using the TV as a gateway to learning, instead of cutting it off!



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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So many have just compartmentalized the book as some primitive form of entertainment and information transmission.

The ability to record our knowledge and experiences in writing is what made us advance from day to day subsistence towards civilization.

People have lived and died to write and read certain books. They are still the definitive form of communication. True there is a commercialization as the format has some mass popularity.

But when someone writes a book they are transmitting directly to the reader their thoughts and understanding in a way no video can ever simulate. A truly well written organizes it's information and presents it in a compelling but logical manner. Video is like a phone call.

The people who essentially run the worlds of science, law, medicine, politics, commerce, etc attend colleges and universities to obtain degrees. They are tested largely on their ability to learn through reading vast numbers of books and how well they can synthesize the information and convey it in a constructive manner.

It requires tremendous concentration over extended periods and an ability to think clearly. Higher learning means obtaining the ability to think, really.

We reward those who do it well with professions and executive positions. Sometimes it doesn't turn out as well as it should, but for the most part it does.

Literacy rates grew steadily through the 20th Century. Our accumulated knowledge is what put the West ahead of the rest of the world. Sadly our abilities to read and the enjoyment of reading have declined precipitously in the last couple decades.

Our great advantage is being eroded as we succumb to tube fed information and experience through broadcast and digitized media. We no longer analyze information, we let others do it for us.

Entertainment and games were once a component of our culture, now they are our culture completely.

Those who don't see this won't ever get it.

But a handful of you will, and will pass it on to your kids.


Mike




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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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I would much rather have my kids playing video games and watching TV then being outside smoking pot and drinking alcohol.

Kids these days experiment with drugs and alcohol at the lovely age of twelve to thirteen. So now, since you took away their only forms of entertainment that THEY enjoyed (not YOU, you're not them. what you enjoy does not mean they enjoy it), now their only option is to run the streets.

The times have changed. Kids no longer go outside to play like they used to. Technology has replaced all that for both the good and the bad.

So now since you're children are going to be so bored at home, and you are forcing them outside, they will have to find things that are fun. Well, when 99% of kids are having fun inside, you're left with the 1% of kids having fun outside. The kids outside are the ones who have to do things away from their parents so they can smoke, drink, and do drugs. Dont believe me? I was the same kid ten years ago. Without video games I would have been hanging with all my friends who were constantly arrested, or doing drugs in their spare time. Since that didn't appeal to me I read articles on the internet, played games, and started my future into what has now become my career as a network engineer.

You are limiting your childs potential. You are making him an outcast in the eyes of his peers. And for what? So he can sneak out and play video games over his friends house? Every other kid he knows has a video game system. How does you taking away his solve anything? It doesnt. It only makes him have to lie about where he is going and what he is doing.

As for TV and Movies, thats what kids talk about. Thats where they learn all the newest pop culture, and the kids who don't are the nerds, and the ones who are bullied, and made fun of since they basically live in a bubble.

MODERATION is key.

You may not realize it, but forcing your child to go outside and do things that you used to do a long time ago is now not the best idea. I would much rather see children inside while safe, instead of being outside where sex, drugs, and violence is the new way of life. Even for kids.

He will need to find things to replace what he used to enjoy, and I assure you that will be much worse then any video game or tv show you could imagine.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Continue doing it.

It should be said, however, that I am probably the minority of kids who played video games since I was 7, but then by 13 stopped playing and starting making video games.

Bare in mind that the computer is the future. Get your kids to read and create, but then reintroduce the video game several years down the road when they have developed their skills. Give your daughter and son creative software to draw and 3d model and write. Don't buy them games necessarily at first, but maybe get them games so they can learn to alter them.

But the most important fact is that young minds need concentration and thought, which the computer robs. Reintroduce the electronic entertainment around 13-15... maybe.

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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I have never been as disappointed in this site as Iam right now. I used to be able to come here and have an intelligent discussion and debate, without anyone jumping to conclusions, lynch mobbing and out and out ignorance of the very thread in which they are posting in.
Half of you read the opening post, and barely the first few posts after..nothing more.
Half of you didn't read my responses, yet assumed the same things, even though I answered the question.
My opening post even somehow got lost throughout the evolution of the thread to where nothing I could possibly say had any validity whatsoever.
Not one person, truly asked anything in less than a demeaning way.
YOU are the reason why Iam raising my kids the way Iam.
To be better than that. Show more respect.
Those of you who argue how dare I take away TV and movies...where did I say I outright banned them???
Where did I say, we wouldn't make an outing of going to the theater? WHERE did I say NO COMPUTER???? Where did I say they couldn't
watch TV at a friends house, or go to a friends to play games????
SHOW ME WHERE.
I removed the items from my home.
No..I DIDN"T STICK A BOOK IN THEIR HAND..they are available to them, and they made THEIR OWN CHOICE to read them.
IS THAT ABUSIVE? WORTHY OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES?
So you really think by removing these things from my home my children will be socially affected?
Shows what you all know..truly..
All your shows and movies, and games..will soon all be on your COMPUTER.
The one thing I did not remove.
So while your kids are adapting from a joystick, and a remote, to a keyboard and mouse..we'll just see who the social outcast is.

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