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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been noticing a lot of threads here on ATS... specifically from the Republicans I guess here or those on the right who are disgruntled with Obama's policies as much as I or the other people on this forum are. Why do people still think that a President can change things?
I thought once a long time ago that Barack Obama could clean up the mess Bush made and that things couldn't be any worse than they already were. I was wrong.
I see more and more conservative posters here asking the question: who do you want to win in 2012? I say I don't care who wins in 2012. It won't make one difference.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been noticing a lot of threads here on ATS... specifically from the Republicans I guess here or those on the right who are disgruntled with Obama's policies as much as I or the other people on this forum are. Why do people still think that a President can change things?
Things are already changing, its just not to the liking of the rightwing (for apparent reasons) as for other issues, since when did we put a 6 month time line on change? The mess the previous administration made for the last 8years will not change in a matter of months sorry, its common sense to conclude that, but some folks just prefer to flame.
I thought once a long time ago that Barack Obama could clean up the mess Bush made and that things couldn't be any worse than they already were. I was wrong.
I see more and more conservative posters here asking the question: who do you want to win in 2012? I say I don't care who wins in 2012. It won't make one difference.
Get back to be when you come up with real issues.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
No. President Obama has continued many of Bush's policies. He has continued Bush's policies on state secrets
he has expanded the Iraq-Afghan war
he has bombed Packistan.
He is encouraging new tax policies in the lieu to pay for government ran health-care.
I guess the only real change is the way the media has shaped your perception of the President.
I did as a matter of fact used to support him.
I'm not talking about some conspiracy here. I'm talking about facts. Presidents have very little power over what happens and what goes on.
Do you see the people behind Obama? They're all wall-street and bilderbergers.
I am not making a conspiratorial argument here.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
No. President Obama has continued many of Bush's policies. He has continued Bush's policies on state secrets
What secrets? The NWO conspiracy to secretly plant chips into unsuspecting americans while their asleep? One mans issue is another mans junk.
he has expanded the Iraq-Afghan war
As for Afghanistan, thats where the war on terrorism began. Remember, those planes hitting? Osama bin laden, we're trying to hunt him there? But ofcourse your one of those 9/11 truthers and NWO conspiracy theorists... so really your issue Obama has been an issue with anything, because everything is a conspiracy Frank.
he has bombed Packistan.
He is encouraging new tax policies in the lieu to pay for government ran health-care.
I guess the only real change is the way the media has shaped your perception of the President.
I did as a matter of fact used to support him.
Can you reference me one post of yours prior to the election supporting Barack Obama thanks, because Iv been watching your threads over the years and Iv seen different.
It wouldnt matter to me if it turns out you never supported the man after all, I just want relevant arguments.
I'm not talking about some conspiracy here. I'm talking about facts. Presidents have very little power over what happens and what goes on.
Do you see the people behind Obama? They're all wall-street and bilderbergers.
I am not making a conspiratorial argument here.
Right.
[edit on 12-6-2009 by Southern Guardian]
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
He kept the photos because of state-secrets.
No. He actually promised he would start pulling out of Iraq in March and then the troops would be out in 2011.
Of course planes hit the twin towers. The question is whether there were explosions in the twin towers...
How about you do some research on the NWO theory and the 9-11 stuff before making your mind on it
I have nothing wrong with going after Al-quaeda.
The Iraq war and the Afghan war were based on lies.
Health care isn't a right...
But I think everyone should get it.
No... I never said that. Look, all I've done is point out that Barack Obama really hasn't brought that much change.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
He kept the photos because of state-secrets.
What state secrets Frank?
He promised during the primaries that troops would be withdrawn by 2011, when folks were still deciding to vote for him. When it became apparent to flamers that he was going to keep that promise they then decided to dig down back in 2007 when he said March.
It doesnt matter when he stated he will start withdrawing, his stance was always 2011. I'd bet by the time he withdraws all troops by 2011 folks will then start cutting corners again and arguing that he left an embassy there so thats not counters. Clear stance, withdrawal by 2011. Your welcome to take out little tiblets and accuse the man of then full out lying for the sake of flaming at him, but at the end of the 2011 withdrawal was stated.
Of course planes hit the twin towers. The question is whether there were explosions in the twin towers...
How about you do some research on the NWO theory and the 9-11 stuff before making your mind on it
I have nothing wrong with going after Al-quaeda.
The Iraq war and the Afghan war were based on lies.
Health care isn't a right...
But I think everyone should get it.
No... I never said that. Look, all I've done is point out that Barack Obama really hasn't brought that much change.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
He used the state secret catch-phrase to keep the gitmo photos secrets. Tell me you aren't that much behind the times.
No. The original idea was that he would start pulling troops out in March.
And yet you resort to name-calling once again.
He clearly backed on what he said.
It matters a great deal when we start withdrawing.
Uh you're on a conspiracy site.
These are not nothing more than the implications of conspiracy theories.
People like you dismiss these things as conspiracy theories-- when they are in fact factual.
People have talked about new world order time and time on the news.
What did I do here? Al-quaeda wasn't in Iraq before we came there.
There were no WMDS in Iraq. Stop faking it.
I know you're not stupid. Please, unless you were fooling us all with your anti-war stuff before... you call yourself a progressive.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
There will be no real change from the President. I pity you.
You shouldn't look up to one man for change.
Do you think that Obama is the messiah
One man can't change everything.
The real power lies in the senate and all of those subcomittees and lies within the CFR, the bilderberg group
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
who do you want to win in 2012? I say I don't care who wins in 2012.
It won't make one difference.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Obama never said he himself will change the world.
Originally posted by mental modulator
What Obama inherited and what most have inherited is hardly comparable.
"The fundamentals are still strong, my friends..."
Bush got the keys to a Corvette and brought back a Dihatsu
You do know if MY MESSIAH
Originally posted by mental modulator
Gonna get my Obama forehead tat tomorrow.
The giant HOPE on my back is healing fine.
The LORD and MESSIAH stuff I mean, its getting to be funny
farmers market?