reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
It was a joke about a 14 year old girl. Is that okay? NO! The girl isn't even an adult.
I stand by what I said. Every politician uses there kids to get votes. How many people do you think voted for Obama simply because they were such a
nice family? I imagine scores did.
Imagine the ruckus that would've ensued had O'Brien had said, "Yeah, Obama and his youngest daughter went to a Yankees game yesterday and the
strangest thing happened---the girl got impregnated by A-Rod in the middle of the seventh! Ha BING!"
Sarah Palin calls David Letterman "Dirty old Man" and implies he's unsafe around girls!, page 2
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:11 PM by Fremd
reply to post by octotom
exactly. So now you're saying "its okay" because she flip flpped?
Im saying she came under scrutiny because she was preaching for abstinence even though she was a pregnant teenager out of wedlock.
That's called hypocrisy. After her mom brought her into the public eye, Bristol Palin made public speeches and did all of this on her own. She should have been ready for scrutiny, instead of this prissy "dont ridicule me, im a girl" non sense.
She did say originally that abstinence doesn't work. Now she's saying, it's safer, but harder. Of course, even people against abstinence will admit that it's safer. Bristol probably got an ear full from her mother and tweeked her position a little bit.
In the end, originally, she said that abstinence isn't realistic.
exactly. So now you're saying "its okay" because she flip flpped?
Im saying she came under scrutiny because she was preaching for abstinence even though she was a pregnant teenager out of wedlock.
That's called hypocrisy. After her mom brought her into the public eye, Bristol Palin made public speeches and did all of this on her own. She should have been ready for scrutiny, instead of this prissy "dont ridicule me, im a girl" non sense.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:12 PM by David9176
reply to post by Fremd
Ignoring facts and making up things?
If by some crazy reason I was running for public office...I wouldn't hide my family. I'd parade them around and be proud of who they were.
Her kids wouldn't even be a story if the media wasn't so focused on slandering her at every opportunity. I'd introduce my family...problems and all.
Once again...as you didn't answer yet...
Do you have children?
No, i see the point you're trying to make. But you're ignoring facts and making up things in order to try and make the point. Sarah Palin can't use her family to gain votes, then get pissy if any of them come under ridicule.
Ignoring facts and making up things?
If by some crazy reason I was running for public office...I wouldn't hide my family. I'd parade them around and be proud of who they were.
Her kids wouldn't even be a story if the media wasn't so focused on slandering her at every opportunity. I'd introduce my family...problems and all.
Once again...as you didn't answer yet...
Do you have children?
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:12 PM by alaskan
I'm pretty sure it's ok for any parent to defend their children (young or not) against the type of thing letterman said.
And he definitely is a dirty old man. Whether it's just part of his shtick or if he's really like that doesn't really matter. Watch his show any time an attractive woman is on, you'll see what I mean, especially if she's young. I've seen girls get noticeably upset with the way he acts towards them.
Anyone saying "Sarah is stupid, it's ok and all her fault for being highly public anyways" is a complete idiot... Unless they were a fellow ATS member who was voicing their opinion which is their right to do sans name calling...
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And he definitely is a dirty old man. Whether it's just part of his shtick or if he's really like that doesn't really matter. Watch his show any time an attractive woman is on, you'll see what I mean, especially if she's young. I've seen girls get noticeably upset with the way he acts towards them.
Anyone saying "Sarah is stupid, it's ok and all her fault for being highly public anyways" is a complete idiot... Unless they were a fellow ATS member who was voicing their opinion which is their right to do sans name calling...
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reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:13 PM by David9176
reply to post by Fremd
I don't know a single woman that doesn't BRAG about their kids....and they should...that's WHAT MOTHER'S DO!
[edit on 12-6-2009 by David9176]
Do i really need to post all the old news articles of her bragging? Brag brag brag brag brag brag.
I don't know a single woman that doesn't BRAG about their kids....and they should...that's WHAT MOTHER'S DO!
[edit on 12-6-2009 by David9176]
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:14 PM by Fremd
reply to post by alaskan
Well, then lesson learned, no? Don't bring your own family into the public spot light and you have nothing to worry about.
Sarah Palin did this to herself. Anyone who can't see it that way is just a sheep.
Anyone saying "Sarah is stupid, it's ok and all her fault for being highly public anyways" is a complete idiot.
Well, then lesson learned, no? Don't bring your own family into the public spot light and you have nothing to worry about.
Sarah Palin did this to herself. Anyone who can't see it that way is just a sheep.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:14 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
It was a joke about a 14 year old girl. Is that okay? NO! The girl isn't even an adult.
I stand by what I said. Every politician uses there kids to get votes. How many people do you think voted for Obama simply because they were such a nice family? I imagine scores did.
Imagine the ruckus that would've ensued had O'Brien had said, "Yeah, Obama and his youngest daughter went to a Yankees game yesterday and the strangest thing happened---the girl got impregnated by A-Rod in the middle of the seventh! Ha BING!"
It was about a 14 year old? Really? Letterman claims it wasnt. I guess you know better than he did, though.
People said these things about the bush twins all the time. Whats the difference.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:15 PM by Fremd
reply to post by David9176
thats fine. You can brag about your kids. I never said you couldn't. But what i did say is that if you're going to go on national TV and brag, you should be prepared if scrutiny ensues afterwards.
"look at my daughter, she's perfect, abstinence YAY!!"
And then OOPS - she got knocked up at 17 by a boyfriend who later left her because of her dysfunctional family.
But no - you can't talk about the latter.
That makes you a dirty old man
[edit on 12-6-2009 by Fremd]
thats fine. You can brag about your kids. I never said you couldn't. But what i did say is that if you're going to go on national TV and brag, you should be prepared if scrutiny ensues afterwards.
"look at my daughter, she's perfect, abstinence YAY!!"
And then OOPS - she got knocked up at 17 by a boyfriend who later left her because of her dysfunctional family.
But no - you can't talk about the latter.
That makes you a dirty old man
[edit on 12-6-2009 by Fremd]
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:16 PM by octotom
reply to post by Fremd
Can someone not make a mistake and go and warn people to not do it? Of course they can!
Or, are all the former druggies that go and tell kids to not do drugs hypocritical?
Even if Bristol Palin flip-flopped, is someone not allowed to change their convictions?
A hypocrite, by the way, is someone who tells someone to do something and then does another, after the fact. So, Bristol Palin isn't being hypocritical because, to our knowledge, she wasn't going through her high school telling kids to not have sex.
Can someone not make a mistake and go and warn people to not do it? Of course they can!
Or, are all the former druggies that go and tell kids to not do drugs hypocritical?
Even if Bristol Palin flip-flopped, is someone not allowed to change their convictions?
A hypocrite, by the way, is someone who tells someone to do something and then does another, after the fact. So, Bristol Palin isn't being hypocritical because, to our knowledge, she wasn't going through her high school telling kids to not have sex.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:18 PM by Fremd
reply to post by octotom
But the difference is she was preaching from a pedestal before everyone found out about the pregnancy - then after the findings - she changed her tune.
Thats not trying to help others learn from your mistake.
thats lying your ass off to cover up a mistake, then changing yoru tune when you get busted.
But the difference is she was preaching from a pedestal before everyone found out about the pregnancy - then after the findings - she changed her tune.
Thats not trying to help others learn from your mistake.
thats lying your ass off to cover up a mistake, then changing yoru tune when you get busted.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:18 PM by David9176
reply to post by Fremd
This isn't pandering...I'm just proving that you hate this woman..and that's all their is too it....why else would you call her a whore mother?
No parent DESERVES to have their kids slandered....and no CHILD deserves it either.
I don't give a damn what the circumstance is...and I don't care who it is.
Big difference in your pandering, vs the reality of the situation
This isn't pandering...I'm just proving that you hate this woman..and that's all their is too it....why else would you call her a whore mother?
No parent DESERVES to have their kids slandered....and no CHILD deserves it either.
I don't give a damn what the circumstance is...and I don't care who it is.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:21 PM by octotom
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
From the LA Times:
The joke was about Willow Palin.
And as far as the Bush twins go, no, it wasn't okay for people to say stuff about them. It's not okay for anyone in a prominent person's family to be attacked unless that person puts themselves out for the wolves.
From the LA Times:
However, Monday's show has drawn criticism from both sides of the aisle for a joke made about Sarah Palin's 14-year-old daughter, Willow. During his opening monologue, Letterman poked fun at Sarah and Willow's recent weekend outing to a Yankees game, joking that, "during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.
The joke was about Willow Palin.
And as far as the Bush twins go, no, it wasn't okay for people to say stuff about them. It's not okay for anyone in a prominent person's family to be attacked unless that person puts themselves out for the wolves.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:23 PM by Oatmeal
reply to post by octotom
Then again Letterman is the hypocrite...He had a child out of wedlock. Let Sarah Palin stick up for her kids, anyone with kids would do the same, and candidates have been bringing their kids on the campaign trail since day one and they are not fair game. Letterman is on the way down the road the same as Rosie O'donnell when she started bringing her political agenda onto her daytime talk show.
Then again Letterman is the hypocrite...He had a child out of wedlock. Let Sarah Palin stick up for her kids, anyone with kids would do the same, and candidates have been bringing their kids on the campaign trail since day one and they are not fair game. Letterman is on the way down the road the same as Rosie O'donnell when she started bringing her political agenda onto her daytime talk show.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:25 PM by Fremd
reply to post by David9176
First off the "Whore mother who had a child out of wedlock with a man who later left her"
...you really think that was aimed at Sarah Palin?
LOL
Well, im sorry you can't comprehend a very simplistic sentence. But allow me to clarify.
Yes. I hate Sarah Palin. In the same way i hate Rush Limbaugh, and MSNBC, and every other pundit idiot on this planet.
Why?
For reasons that i'd hope you, as a long term member of ATS, could easily recognize.
Nothing she can say will ever change the fact that she's a complete moron who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.
So when she reaps the rewards of the seeds she sewed herself, i don't have sympathy for her.
I'm sorry that you do. That makes us different. Call the papers.
First off the "Whore mother who had a child out of wedlock with a man who later left her"
...you really think that was aimed at Sarah Palin?
LOL
Well, im sorry you can't comprehend a very simplistic sentence. But allow me to clarify.
Yes. I hate Sarah Palin. In the same way i hate Rush Limbaugh, and MSNBC, and every other pundit idiot on this planet.
Why?
For reasons that i'd hope you, as a long term member of ATS, could easily recognize.
Nothing she can say will ever change the fact that she's a complete moron who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.
So when she reaps the rewards of the seeds she sewed herself, i don't have sympathy for her.
I'm sorry that you do. That makes us different. Call the papers.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:30 PM by Fremd
reply to post by asmall89
Wow. Here, allow me to write this on a cracker and feed it to you.
Sarah Palin says "look at my family arent they perfect"
Then bam - Bristol gets pregnant - not married, etc etc
the public says "well, perfect, no. Having a child out of wedlock goes against conservative values, thats called hypocrisy"
and it is hypocrisy - because it's "okay" for bristol to do it, but not "okay" for anyone else, according to conservative standards that is.
So now you have Sarah Palin in the media screaming "leave my family alone"
Sarah Palin should leave her family alone.
She brought ALL OF THIS on herself through her "look at us" appraoch to politics, when it should have been look at "me"!
Wow. Here, allow me to write this on a cracker and feed it to you.
Sarah Palin says "look at my family arent they perfect"
Then bam - Bristol gets pregnant - not married, etc etc
the public says "well, perfect, no. Having a child out of wedlock goes against conservative values, thats called hypocrisy"
and it is hypocrisy - because it's "okay" for bristol to do it, but not "okay" for anyone else, according to conservative standards that is.
So now you have Sarah Palin in the media screaming "leave my family alone"
Sarah Palin should leave her family alone.
She brought ALL OF THIS on herself through her "look at us" appraoch to politics, when it should have been look at "me"!
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:35 PM by octotom
reply to post by Fremd
When did they say it was okay? I always remember it being said that they were upset, but they still love their kids. Unconditional love doesn't mean that you condone something.
When did they say it was okay? I always remember it being said that they were upset, but they still love their kids. Unconditional love doesn't mean that you condone something.
reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:38 PM by David9176
reply to post by Fremd
Name a woman who isn't proud of her children.
Do it.
As a matter of fact, how man women on ATS..or for that matter men as well...who are not proud of their children and defend them no matter what the circumstance is...at their fault or not.
I'm 3 weeks away from having a daughter and if anyone ever says a SINGLE word to make them feel bad about themselves I will want to kick some ass...PERIOD.
For the third time..since you have no answered...DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN?
If not then you cannot possibly understand. I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin but this goes far beyond that.
Sarah Palin says "look at my family arent they perfect" Then bam - Bristol gets pregnant - not married, etc etc the public says "well, perfect, no. Having a child out of wedlock goes against conservative values, thats called hypocrisy" and it is hypocrisy - because it's "okay" for bristol to do it, but not "okay" for anyone else, according to conservative standards that is. So now you have Sarah Palin in the media screaming "leave my family alone"
Name a woman who isn't proud of her children.
Do it.
As a matter of fact, how man women on ATS..or for that matter men as well...who are not proud of their children and defend them no matter what the circumstance is...at their fault or not.
I'm 3 weeks away from having a daughter and if anyone ever says a SINGLE word to make them feel bad about themselves I will want to kick some ass...PERIOD.
For the third time..since you have no answered...DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN?
If not then you cannot possibly understand. I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin but this goes far beyond that.
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