Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
And some of the people who are defrauded can't recover.

Take identity theft. Having that happen to you causes a lot of the same traumas as rape. Your security is taken away, it is much harder to enjoy life, you have to go through all the legal trouble.

It is not just money, and it is not only rich people that are defrauded. It is an act of emotional violence.

Again, this is BS. I have been a victim of identity theft. Other than the hours and hours I spent on the phone working to correct it, it did not change anything about my life.

To compare that to rape and/or molestation of a child is disgusting and offensive.

You are still trying to compare a material crime to a physical/emotional one.

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Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Everyone takes things differently. I have been sexually groped before ... it was uncomfortable and I was upset, but I felt better after a couple days.

And what if instead of being groped, you had been anally raped, would it have taken just a few days for you to "feel better"???

Ask yourself this question: If you had to chose between having some stock broker or financial planner steal all your money or being sodomized, which one would you chose?

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Everyone takes things differently. I have been sexually groped before ... it was uncomfortable and I was upset, but I felt better after a couple days.

And what if instead of being groped, you had been anally raped, would it have taken just a few days for you to "feel better"???

Ask yourself this question: If you had to chose between having some stock broker or financial planner steal all your money or being sodomized, which one would you chose?

It would depend how much money it was.

With my current bankroll? I'd definitely take the fraud, lol.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
What I'm saying is the lines blur. Molestation can be extremely emotionally damaging and not be physically violent at all. I do think crimes towards people should be punished more than crimes toward property though.

Worse than screwing over the lives of thousands of people? Taking away everything they own and possibly driving them to suicide?

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
What I'm saying is the lines blur. Molestation can be extremely emotionally damaging and not be physically violent at all. I do think crimes towards people should be punished more than crimes toward property though.

Now you are backpedaling and contradicting yourself. On page one of this thread you stated:

Worse than screwing over the lives of thousands of people? Taking away everything they own and possibly driving them to suicide?

And I don't care how much money I had, I would rather be swindled out of every dime than be raped or have my kid molested! Definitely NOT LOL!

And I don't care how much money I had, I would rather be swindled out of every dime than be raped or have my kid molested! Definitely NOT LOL!

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
I think it is pretty naive to think that child molestation is a crime against one person.

A crime like that resonates. It affects that child through their entire life and everyone they come in contact with.

I get the feeling you dont have the foggiest idea of the impact of child molestation.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
I think it is pretty naive to think that child molestation is a crime against one person.

A crime like that resonates. It affects that child through their entire life and everyone they come in contact with.

I get the feeling you dont have the foggiest idea of the impact of child molestation.

Actually I do. My stepbrothers were all molested by their father in horrible ways.

The oldest one, who got it the longest, is basically ruined. He is in jail and has a brain tumor, probably from the stress. It is very sad.

The other two though have major problems but are still very much functioning people. Of course the crime resonates, but it doesn't resonate as much as a murder.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Hmmmm. I agree that the crime of molestation is worse than fraud as a general statement.

But I do not think Bernard Madoff is a better man than the people on To Catch a Predator. He is way worse.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Donnie Darko]

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Hmmmm. I agree that the crime of molestation is worse than fraud as a general statement.

But I do not think Bernard Madoff is a better man than the people on To Catch a Predator. He is way worse.

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I think that if you think "to catch a predator" or whatever shows true molestors than you are sorely mistaken.

Think about infants being pinned down and sodomized. Think of a 10 year old with foreign object being shoved into their anus. Think for children forced to perform oral sex on an adult.

Still feel the same?

Charles "Ebony" Horton was tried for and pleaded guilty to kidnapping, assault with intent to rape a child under 16, indecent assault and battery on a child under 14, assault and battery, and assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon. Horton, while dressed as a woman, used a ruse to lead an 11-year old boy to an abandoned warehouse where he forced to the boy to simulate sex acts after holding a screwdriver to the child's neck. During the sentencing phase of the trial, Suffolk County District Attorney David Deakin who had asked Lopez to give Horton an eight to ten year jail sentence, tried to protest her decision to sentence Horton to house arrest and five years' of probation.

Originally posted by KEMIK
The penalties for child molestation and abuse, in most cases is ridiculous.

Here's a good one.

Charles "Ebony" Horton was tried for and pleaded guilty to kidnapping, assault with intent to rape a child under 16, indecent assault and battery on a child under 14, assault and battery, and assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon. Horton, while dressed as a woman, used a ruse to lead an 11-year old boy to an abandoned warehouse where he forced to the boy to simulate sex acts after holding a screwdriver to the child's neck. During the sentencing phase of the trial, Suffolk County District Attorney David Deakin who had asked Lopez to give Horton an eight to ten year jail sentence, tried to protest her decision to sentence Horton to house arrest and five years' of probation.

From Wikipedia

What's that? You raped a little kid? Go to your room.


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