Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by Imago Dei
I would really like to see the proof.
The problem that I have with the Bible is that is was written by a lot of people, and as we know people make mistakes.
I also have problems with the concept of a loving and forgiving God, as opposed to some of the Bible, especially the Old Testament.
I do not have a problem with Jesus, though. I believe that He is our Saviour.
Thanks for your response brother, I will certainly put the information together, it will take some time to transpose it from the documents I have just
received on the topic. having said that is it possible to post PDF or JPEG files into a thread? This will make it very easy for me to do, as their is
a lot of information people may find interesting and beneficial to their faith.
In the meantime anyone can do research of their own on the works of Ivan Panin in case I am waylaid by other matters more pressing.
That said; one need not be at all concerned that God used 22 scribes to deliver us the 66 books, God is able to preserve His word as easy as He is
able to hang all of the stars and planets on nothing. Yes men make mistakes God doesnt (unless of course you dont include his creation of mankind) and
there are men such as Westcot and Hort, who spent 50 years of their lives correcting anomoilies in the greek text of the new testament and upon
completion they still had over 3000 liner notes on undecided texts.
Ivan panin with his bible numerics was able to put right, over the course of yet another 50 years, all of those anomlies and restore all of the new
testament to the original state of the first autographs given by God through the scribes. I have a copy of his New Testament.
Interstingly, the old testament has remained well preserved compaired with the New Testament most proably due in no small part to the care and
diligent protection by the Hebrew scholars thoughout the centuries. The same numeric structure applies to the Hebrew text the OT was written in. This
numeric mathmatical finger print is clear to all who gaze upon it with a candid open mind faced with the facts that a superior mind delivered the
words in the bible through men.
When Ivan Panin challenged all of the great scientific minds publically back in 1939 through the mainstream media of the day, not one could refute his
findings, and none chose to do so publically or in private and in fact one even conceeded publically that the bible was indeed a unique book like no
other and continued on with his anti Christian writings in his spare time, purely for the enjoyment of it. So you see no matter how much proof
people are given, still they will not believe.
There are many who are hung up on Gods dealings with men in the old testament I am not sure as for why, as did he not wipe out all mankind with a
flood, and did He not state that He wished he had not put men upon the earth at all? These are the dealings of a righteous sovereign judge over the
wickedness that men do. Further more everlasting torment awaits all those who reject Christ and the good news of the gospel of the Kingdom of the
heavens. If men have a beef with anything in the bible OT and NT their beef is clearly and surely with God, and one can always ask Him to show one and
teach one about anything one may struggle to comprehend. Believe me, I have to often.
[edit on 22-6-2009 by Imago Dei]