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Dead girl 'punished in cold bath'

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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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This is insane. To think that people can be so cruel.



A seven-year-old girl allegedly starved to death by her mother and mother's partner was made to sit in a cold bath as a punishment, a court has been told. In video evidence shown at Birmingham Crown Court, a 12-year-old girl said that she herself had been made to stand in front of a fan in her underwear.

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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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From BBC
Earlier this week, the jury was told that Mr Abuhamza and Ms Gordon told children at the house they believed Khyra had been possessed by an evil spirit.


And this happened here in the UK!
Superstitions aside this is sheer madness!



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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Sad.

So very sad.




posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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I mean what kind of person would do these things????

It amazes me that one person thinks its alright to punish a child by taking away food/ torture but here you have two people making a clear choice together on how to punish these kids. The best solution they could come up with is starve em out!!!

Yea that should teach those naughty kids not to be bad

Sick

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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Similar things happen in the US some worse. Unfortunately there is no license to have a child. Anyone can have one. Even those who simply should not.

So what are we left with to do??

Allow the parents to keep the children and abuse them further?

Take the kids away, throwing them into a screwed up child "welfare" system?

Attempt to "force" parents to take parenting classes? Can counseling/classes really help these monsters? And can anyone really force them to go seek help anymore than one can force them to be responsible human beings? What happens if they just choose not to go? Puts us back to all the other "what to do questions".

Seems like there is not much help for the most innocent of our society.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by raptorinvictus


From BBC
Earlier this week, the jury was told that Mr Abuhamza and Ms Gordon told children at the house they believed Khyra had been possessed by an evil spirit.


That is EXTREMELY common in Sub-Saharan Africa. Children are frequently accused of witch craft and either abandoned or beaten to death. If someone gets sick, or tragedy strikes a village it is common to blame it on a "witch" and punish those people. The parents are the ones that cast their own children out, not strangers.

There are entire villages comprised of "witches" that had to flee their homes or risk being killed because of a lightening strike or illness.



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posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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Our welfare system is simply broken here in the US.

People do messed up things everywhere, more often than not it goes unreported as well.
My mom worked for DHS child welfare for about 12 years when I was younger, it ate her alive. The things people do to their kids are unimaginable. I knew two little girls who were kept in cages, forced to eat their own feces, and fight eachother for regular food; this was when they were 2-3 years old.

sick.

Sticking kids in a welfare system doesn't work because many foster homes are ran by "parents" who clean up their place for inspection but only want money out of the system, they don't care about the kids.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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To come up with the decision to starve and torture your own child points to severe mental problems.
Either they were frustrated with their own lives that they decided to take it out on the kids or maybe they were just mentally insane.

People believe in witchcraft in Asia and Africa but this is in the uk right?
What are these the dark ages?



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
Our welfare system is simply broken here in the US.

People do messed up things everywhere, more often than not it goes unreported as well.
My mom worked for DHS child welfare for about 12 years when I was younger, it ate her alive. The things people do to their kids are unimaginable. I knew two little girls who were kept in cages, forced to eat their own feces, and fight eachother for regular food; this was when they were 2-3 years old.

sick.

Sticking kids in a welfare system doesn't work because many foster homes are ran by "parents" who clean up their place for inspection but only want money out of the system, they don't care about the kids.


Unfortunately this is very very true.

The past 2 years I've got to work with the kids that get pulled from homes like this and there are a lot of them. So many in fact it's not to uncommon for us to have to turn kids away or place them on a waiting list because we are always full.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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To come up with the decision to starve and torture your own child points to severe mental problems.
Either they were frustrated with their own lives that they decided to take it out on the kids or maybe they were just mentally insane.


And sometimes they're just mean, and like to be mean, and enjoy the power trip of being mean and evil and cruel.

Perfectly *ok* and in their right mind - but evil and mean as they get.

It's called free will - and sometimes there is no other reason for it than that.

Why do I say this?

Because I don't' want these *bleeps* to get off on some *oh poor me I'm not mentally sound* clause.

I want them to fry.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Because I don't' want these *bleeps* to get off on some *oh poor me I'm not mentally sound* clause. I want them to fry.

Or make them suffer the same fate



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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I listened to these accounts on the news in utter bafflement. What on Earth led adults to concoct such bizarre cruelty? The wicked things the kids were forced to do should be beyond belief, but aren't. For every story that catches the interest of the Press, there are many more that don't.

Part of my occupation involves children that have been prevented from enjoying 'normal' lives due to the actions and inactions of bad parents. This story represents the extremes of psychological cruelty. Much of the daily cruelty to kids is casual. Ironically, some cruelty towards kids is unintentional and is an outcome of a parent utterly unequipped to raise a child with love and empathy. Many of the parents had similar upbringings...

Something makes a child love their parent in spite of everything they are and everything they do to them. A part of them perpetually grieves for an unrequited love. Alcohol, drugs, neglect and whatever else doesn't stop the most abused little blighters from dreaming that one day their parent will give them the love and attention they want. In my experience, it never happens.

I could go on, but what would be the point? The story is a tragedy, but many more kids live with subtler cruelty that doesn't raise popular interest.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Also do they feel remorse after killing a child or is it all in a days work?
If they got away with it would they be able to sleep at night?
Would they treat other children the same way?
Is this what the world is coming to? How degenerated are we?
There must be some way out of here



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Hmm . . . as a child, I was sent to bed without dinner many times for misbehaving. Didn't affect me much later on in life. SO the people saying that this "torture" is harmful. Nope. Not in the least.


Now on topic . . . this couple went the extreme and starved the child for days. That is wrong, and they should both get the death penalty.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Lets see if N. Korea will take them. I hear they have a lovely re-education program..



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Also do they feel remorse after killing a child or is it all in a days work?


The only remorse they feel is when they get caught.

And there is a way *out of here* in my opinion.

Death penalty for murderess, rapists who commit murder, and pedophiles.

It might not stop all the deaths, but if it stops one, it’s worth it.




posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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While we would love to feel that these people deserve the death sentence and sometimes i feel the same way as well, in reality i dont think we have the right to end someone else s life either.

Eye for an eye will only make the world go blind.
The only true way out of this is not to induce fear of death(although it works great) but to educate people and teach them compassion.
There has to be a reason why they think like this. we must identify it and destroy that.


If they still dont learn then by all means ready the noose.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by raptorinvictus
Also do they feel remorse after killing a child or is it all in a days work?
If they got away with it would they be able to sleep at night?
Would they treat other children the same way?
Is this what the world is coming to? How degenerated are we?
There must be some way out of here


1. Read some poe to see into a similar mind, I reccomend "the black cat." People like this have gotten past the point of remorse *making generalizations here*. They "feel" it but it doesn't affect them any longer, they've completely lost themselves as human beings.
2. Maybe, some do, some don't. More often than not, you refer back to point 1.
3. Yes, it's not the children, it's the parent; of course they believed the kids were possessed...
4. It's been like this for a very long time. We've always done this to our own kind.
Salem...



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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What is sad is that this stretches across all classes of our society. It happens within poverty around the world and within the walls of the richest households. Human beings will never be able to create a society close to an idea of heaven, but we certainly know how to manifest hell on earth. All we can do is try to fight this type of injustice in any way we can. The saddest thing is many people see abuse happening and don't report it.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by skindoc
I mean what kind of person would do these things????

It amazes me that one person thinks its alright to punish a child by taking away food/ torture but here you have two people making a clear choice together on how to punish these kids. The best solution they could come up with is starve em out!!!

Yea that should teach those naughty kids not to be bad

Sick

[edit on 12-6-2009 by skindoc]


Isn't this what the World Power's Like the US have taught us to do? After all we place sanctions that starve people because they do not compy to rules we put in place.

BTW I am by no means condoning what happend to these children. It is a travesty to me to lose a child of the world for no reason.



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