Googol-sized Particles Larger Than Thousands of Galaxies Fill the Universe -New Discovery, page 3

reply to post by warrenb

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Oh...wow...
I guess the whole 'we're just a small part of something larger' theory just gained a whole lot more credibility.
Like each galaxy is but a cell in a larger construct...
Very cool...

reply to post by spaznational

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He probably refers to Quasars as evidence that the universe is not expanding exponentially. Since they have a high cosmological redshift placing them at the far reaches of the visible universe, yet are only small in size so therefore there brightness is unexplainable.
Halton Arp has shown to my satisfaction that quasars are ejected from galaxies.
When there brightness is considered at where they appear to be by observation (who would've thought of that?), in the local vicinity of nearby galaxies, the brightness is easily explainable.
Bottom line is the Hubble law is flawed, the big bang didn't happen and the universe is not expanding.

It's possible that there was no single creation event, that creation is taking place all the time at the centre of active galaxies.

It's a fractal universe, this announcement also suggest that, hell just open your eyes and it's clearly seen. Only the arrogance of man could claim to understand the beginnings of the universe.

reply to post by squiz

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Don't tell me you are a "Steady State" believer?

That makes less sense than the "Big Bang"..

[edit on 6/12/2009 by jkrog08]

reply to post by CBS01

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Hell, this could fit in there with relativity if this pans out right IMO. This is pretty huge IMO.


BTW: Don't ever call yourself "not that smart", everyone has potential.

reply to post by jkrog08

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No, though many steady staters have some solid arguments I think.
I'm a eclectic really, and more in agreement with the plasma cosmology approach that only attempts to explain what we see in terms of real physics and makes no attempt to explain the origins of the universe, simply because it's beyond our capabilities.

I think any presumptions regarding a proposed creation event will only give a twisted erroneous view of any new discoveries. This does seem to be the case, everything is painted with the same brush. There is no room for an alternate lines of reasoning. This no doubt naturally limits our scope for understanding.

Challenging theories are a positive thing and should viewed as such, however this is not possible in cosmology today, Halton Arp and many other are testament to that.

reply to post by squiz

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True, but I think this discovery could put some large credibility into the string theories, especially M-Theory. I have honestly not researched the electric universe theory that much, so I do not know that much about it. I know quantum theory makes A LOT of sense in real world observations of particles and duality, as well as answers for multiple formulas of reality. I think ultimately the final theory that is true will likely be a mix of a unified GR-Quantum and possibly an analog of the electric universe theory, and maybe something else undiscovered as of yet. I think that in the next 20-50 years we will be learning A LOT of very amazing and odd things about reality.


As far as it being arbitrary to postulate on pre creation physics, I disagree, although I will state that yes, it will take MUCH more advancements in technology and understanding, a quantum leap if you will in cosmology, quantum physics, and particle/high energy physics. Right now there are some very comfortable theories on hyperspace and possibly a subspace, but the thing is that we are still stuck on "what created the hyperspace"? It is like those puzzle boxes, when you open one, another smaller box is inside!lol..

reply to post by jkrog08

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Fair enough, my only point is that multiple lines of reasoning should be in effect as a tool. Rather than the persecution of theories and individuals that go against the consensus.

It just seems logical and more scientific. But it seems big bang cosmology has left behind the real scientific method, falsification counts for nothing anymore, the tweaking and twiddling of theories is dominate over the simple question of "could we be wrong?".

I must say though I've been hearing those words more and more. It's difficult for the indoctrinated establishment though.

reply to post by shortest man walking

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its called entanglement theory, to answer your question.



And this is a pretty amazing find... tons of subatomic particles stretched to the point where they are almost as big as the universe themselves.


I wonder how this applies to multi-dimensions?

Originally posted by shortest man walking
the first thing this made me think of is (i am way wrong here, just trying to explain what i am talking about since i cant think of its name) the effect of two plasma balls being made from one object, then one ball of plasma is spun. the neat part is the other ball of plasma regardless of how great the distance between the two, it will spin immediately, , even if say it were on the other side of the solar system, greatly surpassing the speed limit placed on light.


i cant help but think maybe these neutrinos are responsible.


if anyone knows the name of the experiment i am talking about, please let me know, its really buggin me

A good video explaining quantum entanglement.

reply to post by shortest man walking

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Well, I believe the theory you are referring to is called "entanglement", but the concept usually is in connection to subatomic particles such as nutrinos. However, the process you are describing is literally the same. Two particles that affect each other regardless of distance.

Theoretically speaking, it should work for plasma, but check out entanglement and that should give you answers to what you are asking.

reply to post by squiz

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I loved that post of yours!! Beautifully summed up!

But, hey, jk did mention that the Big Bang theory is not as silly as the Steady State theory! Well, if one brings in ancient Hindu philosophy into the mix, it gets even more interesting, as according to it, the universe has always existed. And untill we graduate from our present three dimensional way of thinking, we would never ever come even close to understanding how and why this universe came about. 2D equations on a blackboard or in voluminous sheafs of A3 paper will not get even the best of scientists anywhere near the truth, quantuum physics/string/M theories notwithstanding.

Have you heard of 3D or 4D equations? That is what's going to get you there. But....understanding this is a long long way off - hundreds of years into the future. And untill then we will need to be fed and satisfied with such outlandish, bizarre theories that are nothing but conjecture!

Cheers!

reply to post by LucidDreamer85

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I absolutely agree. You know, when reading this thread I came up with an amazing notion, you know, the kind of "moment of clarity" recovering addicts have every so often....

Let's assume there is an afterlife of some sorts, no religious afilliations attached to this notion please. Or it doesn't even have to be an afterlife, just the place where your mind or spirit wanders when the human body ceases to exist. Does it exist for stupid people? I'll get to my point in a moment, bear with me. And by stupid people, I mean people with a low intelligence, or people that are brain dead.

Why stupid people you must be asking yourself..?..?... Well, if someone lacks the mental ability to understand all these scientific marvels and new breakthroughs in physics, they are also unable to intelligently comprehend what happens when we die, or where we travel to in a state of meditation, assuming we go anywhere at all. But they are equally human and qualify for that journey onwards, don't they, even if they can't comprehend the experience in a human body? I tried putting myself in their shoes, simulating a virtual non-thinking state for a few minutes, clearing my mind and not allowing a thought to enter or escape.

I'm betting they can understand it, and I'm betting we all can understand everything the universe is trying to teach us. But it won't come from scientific measurements and theories, it will come from the all-accepting, all-feeling, all-knowing language of every living thing on the planet.... Love... Or if you prefer to call it by another name, a connection to the source with greater information than any compendium of earthly knowledge could ever reveal to us. It's a connection that breaks all language barriers and can bring an interconnected peace to every human being by revealing the true being inside each of us. It's the song of the cosmos and is longing for us to hear its harmony. We need only to clean out our ears, then we will move towards truth.

[edit on 6/13/2009 by pjslug]

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