I have said this so often it bores me but the simple truth of the matter is this...

The powers that be in this country will never let anyone who is a serious threat to their best interests anywhere near the White House... if Obama was as much of a threat as the right likes to make out he would have been shot down in the primaries long before he became a serious contender.

Just remember that some of us 'right-wingers' don't buy into any of that conspiracy crap about Obama, and that many of us were opposed to the Bush administration as well.

All in all, good article.. worthy of ATS chatter. I felt the need to clear my good ole right wing name in the process though.

Originally posted by grover
The powers that be in this country will never let anyone who is a serious threat to their best interests anywhere near the White House...

Exactly. Obama fulfills their interests perfectly. TPTB want America to fail at this time in history. It's very obvious. And they've got enough goods on Obama to keep him in line to be their perfect little tool.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
TPTB want America to fail at this time in history.

That's nonsense... the powers that be want to keep profits flowing... in their direction. America failing would cut into that so no it is NOT in their best interest.

The thing is the only one's who think Obama's birth certificate is a fraud are the lunatic fringe... same thing with him being a secret Muslim and all that crap.

If you oppose Obama fine... do so... but there are plenty of actual reasons to oppose him for without all the idiocy... it really doesn't help your case.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by grover]

Originally posted by grover
Huffington post is reporting

Let me rephrase .... The Left Wing rag, Huffington Post, is spewing ....

are now blaming Obama on Letterman's "joke"

Here's the quote -

"This is the enduring legacy of the Obama campaign. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I blame Barack Obama because he allowed his surrogates in the media and Hollywood and everyone else on the left to do this dirty talking for him."

That's the same kind of blowback that the Democrats pulled on the Republicans during the campaigns. They didn't like some things coming out of the private sector that were anti-Obama so they blamed Mccain saying that he had control over everything, that everyone under the sun was a surrogate, and 'one word' from him would shut all that down.

Both sides pull that. Blame the POTUS or candidate from the other party for everything under the sun, no matter how ridiculous, and hope that something sticks. It's pathetic. Politics (democrat and republican politics) as usual.

Originally posted by grover
That's nonsense... the powers that be want to keep profits flowing... in their direction. America failing would cut into that so no it is NOT in their best interest.

The NWO wants America weaker so they can control it. This whole 'economic crisis' was engineered by them. America is failing. 'They' need it to be weaker and on it's knees in order to usher in their One World Order.

No question about it.

Hey grover,

You got your info from "salon"?

Buddy, dont take another step to your left, you'll fall off.

I am sure everyone in the White House has far better things to do besides cook up a bad joke about Palin's daughter.

I mean who would it hurt? No one besides the girl in question... it doesn't even hurt her mother.

Its not like... say outing someone's CIA wife because he said something you didn't like.

Originally posted by grover
I am sure everyone in the White House has far better things to do besides cook up a bad joke about Palin's daughter.

That's NOT what he said. He said that the joke was a 'legacy of obama's campaign'. That's different and I've already discussed that democrats and republicans use this tactic.

Its not like... say outing someone's CIA wife because he said something you didn't like.

Valarie Plame and her hubby outted THEMSELVES. They blabbed to everyone that she was CIA. Oh .. btw ... she wasn't active CIA when the information came out AND her (left wing) hubby is the one that made accusations against the right-wing White House ... even though he's the one that blabbed all over town about her being CIA.

If ya' want to talk about partisan politics ... Plames hubby is the worst offender.

Originally posted by grover
The thing is the only one's who think Obama's birth certificate is a fraud are the lunatic fringe... same thing with him being a secret Muslim and all that crap.

You edited this in after I had responded to your post.
So I'll now respond to this.

Grover .. buddy ... it's not true that those who question Obama's 'birth certificate' are only on 'the lunatic fringe'. A good chunk of America questions it because HE HAS NOT SHOWN IT . It would be very easy to make all this go away. But instead, Obama hires teams of lawyers to surpress his 'real birth certificate' that allegedly is locked up in Hawaii.

So now that I know you think I'm a lunatic I guess I'll go cry in my pillow or something.



[edit on 6/12/2009 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Have your left wing source get a hold of the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Its really only the rightwing fringe who believe the birth certificate to be faked, the same fringe who accuse him of being a muslim, the same fringe who accused the man of being the anti-christ who somehow or another is related to terrorists in the middle east. It really has become irrelevant on what the fringe believe.

that shows Obama is eligible to be POTUS and that will shut people up.

Shut who up? Whatever Obama releases he will never satisfy the rightwing fringe, there will always be some excuse, some issue that is apart from the relevant issues we need to discuss in this nation. Obama and the rest of the world hasnt stopped, you notice that? Nobody stopped because the fringe cried foul, because its nothing but partisan bickering. Until you folks actually come up with relevant arguments, actual issues you would like to bring up, nobody is going to take this seriously.

By the least back up your accusations with solid proof if you so believe them... Im all ears I assure you.

All they do is ridicule those who ask questions instead of doing the investigation

This isnt a matter of asking questions, the side of the fringe is that of the accuser, with nothing really to show for it besides the fact "he didnt release this, he didnt release that". Sufficient proof has been provided, and as usual the rightwing fringe continue to pull out another conspiracy on some government coverup to add against the evidence presented.

The burden lies on the accuser and will continue to do so until sufficient evidence is provided.

That 'church' Obama went to for 20 years is an anti-white, anti-Jew Black Liberation Theology Cult.

Just curious... can you find another speech made by Mr Wright like the one in March prior to that month?

Your much better than this Flyers.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by blind.face
Just remember that some of us 'right-wingers' don't buy into any of that conspiracy crap about Obama, and that many of us were opposed to the Bush administration as well.

All in all, good article.. worthy of ATS chatter. I felt the need to clear my good ole right wing name in the process though.

Exactly, many "real" conservatives were frustrated by Bush's massive spending policies. People fail to realize how many conservatives felt betrayed by Bush and his decisions while in office.

Let's not begin to list the crazy conspiracies the radical left came up wit to deal with Bush. How many thought he would declare "Martial Law" and be in charge of the world still today.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Ace High]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Valarie Plame and her hubby outted THEMSELVES. They blabbed to everyone that she was CIA. Oh .. btw ... she wasn't active CIA when the information came out AND her (left wing) hubby is the one that made accusations against the right-wing White House ... even though he's the one that blabbed all over town about her being CIA.

That is patently absurd and you know it and runs contrary to all the known facts of the case.

She WAS an active agent working in the WMD dept. AND it has been proven that her name was given to the press by the White House... so no she did not out herself.

AND his accusations were correct. There was no uranium sales to Iraq from Niger... that the documents were a fraud...

AND the CIA repeatedly told the White House that.

But this is not the thread for this discussion.

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