Originally posted by jd140
I enjoy turkey and deer hunting very much.

So if that means I like killing, then yes I do enjoy killing.

IMO there is a HUGE difference between killing to EAT and LIVE, and just killing because you love killing

killing and wasting is bad because it wastes good meat

if you do not use what you kill, that is plain stupid and wasteful

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jd140
I enjoy turkey and deer hunting very much.

So if that means I like killing, then yes I do enjoy killing.

IMO there is a HUGE difference between killing to EAT and LIVE, and just killing because you love killing

killing and wasting is bad because it wastes good meat

if you do not use what you kill, that is plain stupid and wasteful

Couldnt agree any more. If it is to eat yes go ahead if it is to put a dear head over your fireplace hell no. Humans do have a tendency to mess with other creatures for non sense reason or try to blame the animal.

Funny thing we go around hunting animals nothing wrong that animal turns around and hunts us big problem.

I dont know what the laws are in America regarding hunting are
but in Australia we can only hunt anamals that arn't natives and a real problem to the natural balance of things.. eg. Foxes, we have heaps of them, they where introduced to Australia by the English for the upper class to hunt and now they are everywhere, killing all our native wildlife, birds, possums anything..

I don't think it's natural for a man to be stuck in an office behind a computer all day, sometimes he needs to get back to his roots as a hunter and if it means killing feral animals to save the native ones and restore the natural balance of things.. it sounds great to me!

The way I approach hunting is self-sufficiency. If the SHTF tomorrow, I suppose most would be looting Walmart while I'd be heading into a forest with a bow or a rifle, and I'd be able to feed my family for longer. I'd rather not be an alien on my own planet.

If I want to teach my kids that too, quite frankly its none of your business, just as it isn't my business what traditions you want to teach your children. If you want to raise them to rely on a supermarket, go ahead, I won't object. Just have the common courtesy to respect other people's choices as well.

It's not so much the "thrill" of the hunt as the "skill" of the hunt. I love how non-hunters seem to make out that deer are defenseless little bambi clones; you're talking about an animal that can leap 6 ft in the air, run at 30mph, and smells like a bloodhound.

Hunters generally understand the balance of nature, have respect for the animals they hunt, have personal knowledge and experience of the habitat of the animal, dress and butcher the game they kill - can you say the same for people who pick up a roast or steaks from the supermarket every couple of days?

That said, I despise the kind of hunter that kills just for a six-point rack; it wouldn't stop me displaying one if I'd killed it to eat though.

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[edit on 12-6-2009 by veritasvoice2009]

Pointing a gun at an animal isn't a thrill surely? How about pouncing on it using your bare hands, now that's a challenge! I bet you won't be having steak on that occassion!

Seriously though, Its not good for the soul to be killing for fun, why? where's the challenge? why not go paintball shooting with your friends instead.

I understand people need to eat, but it must be done with minimum stress and humanely. I bet if we had to kill the animal for food ourselves most of us would end up vegetarians!

Here in the UK its quite sad to see the pheasants roaming around the countryside with missing legs etc because some braindead idiot didn't shoot it properly and most of the poor little buggers end up being discarded afterward - only a small proportion are actually eaten.

For the goodness of nature I have lured a pheasant and a couple of partridges into the garden with food to keep them safe from that dumbass farmer and his buddies

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
EDIT:

Amagnon

Hes no pansy. If your a hunter so brave and crap, go hunt a wild hog with your bare hands. Just you and your human muscular power, no guns, nothing that puts you in advantage to the beast your hunting. You, your hands... against a wild hog. Then we'll see whos the pansy, you brave man. Its nice to be brave from the aim of a 338 round nose.

** WARNING ** Seriously dont do it. Unless you have a death wish.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by MilitieTempliSalmo]

Bravery has nothing to do with it, do you think it takes bravery to hunt pigeons, or ducks or whatever? Someone who doesn't want to get their hands dirty is a panzy - they want a nice beef burger, but they would condemn people for killing cattle.

I also wonder if you read my entire post - I hold those who were shooting the pigeons in nothing but disdain. The killing of the pigeons is not relevant, purely the disrespect they treated them with - obviously having no desire to eat them. All life has value - and when you take it, then you should feel respect for the animal that has died so you can eat. Senseless thrill killing is vile.

The idea that people who hunt have something to prove is nonsense. People fish and hunt because the act satisfies our natural instincts. Sure if it is more challenging, then it is more satisfying - but who would wrestle a tiger so they could have a tiger skin rug? We didn't get to the top of the food chain by being stupid - pure instinct, augmented by imagination, and tempered by reason.

I see so many people who are so out of touch with their instincts - they can't express anger, or passion - that is is somehow out of place in the world.

They can't even speak their minds - they constantly filter it to be politically correct, to not offend, to not be sexist, or racist, or any number of things. That is not freedom - and it is not what we were born to be.

Men are becoming robots - creatures of pure reason, no imagination and no instinct.

Once men were lions - fierce, unbridled and free - now they are slaves, and despise those who remove their chains, because they are so accustomed to their own, if they removed them, they would no longer feel safe.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Amagnon]

Oh man. I looked at the video. I hadn't before.

And you wonder why people hate Americans or, at best, look to you with disdain and revulsion. Yeah, everybody hates your freedoms and prosperity. That's it.

As others say, it's the feeling of power that comes from 'making something happen'. Being able to effect or change something, especially relating to another livng stimulus gives a feeling of power and therefore fulfillment.
Why this is so is probably due to an innate behaviour to help us hunt or something.

Tempted to just say 'yes', but i wonder whether its related to population size? Perhaps its a buit in behaviour condition to kill when out 'tribe' reaches a certain size?

So I wont be considered a bad host(again), I will respond for WIW:

Sony AD, I wonder just how many here made a knee jerk comment
without even watching the video? I also wonder, of those people who
did watch it AND even comment on it, how many will care enough to
even do one more thing about it, other than be truely disgusted.
I only posted it because we need to see it. We need to see what we do.
We need to see the barbarisism of our "civilized" modern society.
Will anything ever get done? NO, but miracles do happen. Sometimes.

I wonder who here has decided they really know me? Or any of us.
America is looked at as a fat and lazy empire bent on world domination
one way or another. Why would they feel different? I can only imagine.
They are probably scared witless. Dont show 'em this video either will ya? Thanks.

And1423, thanks also for that, even though you all are applying
defibrilation on a dead patient. That patient is us, besides this thread!
We may need some serious shock therapy, or maybe just a hole in the head of self-righteousness.
(After being captured and put in a cage for days with no food or water
of course) Wonder how differently we would feel then? Probably wouldn't...
Sorry for my hopelessness. You understand now why I feel this way, dont you?
As much as I want this thread to be about me because of my human ego,(kidding I hope)
its not and never was about me.
Its not about hunting for food either or even about food at all for that matter.
Its about humans' sheer lust for and enjoyment of the pain and death
they inflict, not even realizing what they really do, that it could be wrong,
or that there could (ever) be a better way. Thats whats hopeless.
It's normal and even admired,toasted over as a sign of "toughness",
and hung on the wall of every tough guys man cave. Ironic again, eh?
Any blockhead can kill and feel good about it somehow I guess.
It's much harder to overcome this primal urge and evolve.
You are right, it's like being collectively stuck in the terrible twos for
eternity,(or for the life of man, whichever comes first)never allowing
ourselves out of the playpen to grow up. At all.

P.S. But,...look at the bright side, we could all be dead!

[edit on 13-6-2009 by dodadoom]