Does man actually just enjoy killing?, page 5
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reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:03 AM by NovusOrdoMundi
reply to post by grapesofraft



Not that I support war, but I believe war is natural as well, isn't it?

Now, the extent to which we have taken war isn't natural, and we certainly could be a little wiser and humane with how we treat one another in war (torturing prisoners of war, etc.), but war itself, in it's most basic form, is natural. I could be wrong but I don't think we're the only species that engages in war.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:06 AM by grapesofraft
reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi



I actually take the view that there should be no rules in war. To be honest, I do not even understand why we ever thought we should put rules on war. It is to be played to win. It is not about who can be nicest or kindest.

I think a leaders job is to define the enemy clearly and then unleash everything in his aresenal to defeat that enemy as quickly as possible with the least loss of life on his side of the war.. no if, ands, or butts.

Trying to put rules on war is just the fantasy of people who do not want to face the ugliness of war. It is a weakness IMO.

You can pray for the other side and hope they change their mind or give up or whatever, but until that moment it is war.

[edit on 12-6-2009 by grapesofraft]


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:07 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by jd140


Thanks for that JD.
You are correct. I feel lucky to have never had to deal with that.
All I can say is thanks for your service and for doing the dirty work.



reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:09 AM by jd140
Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to
post by NovusOrdoMundi



I actually take the view that there should be no rules in war. To be honest, I do not even understand why we ever thought we should put rules on war. It is to be played to win. It is not about who can be nicest or kindest.

I think a leaders job is to define the enemy clearly and then unleash everything in his aresenal to defeat that enemy as quickly as possible with the least loss of life on his side of the war.. no if, ands, or butts.

Trying to put rules on war is just the fantasy of people who do not want to face the ugliness of war. It is a weakness IMO.




You must be a baptist preacher, they are the only ones who stay connected to the way the world really is.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:11 AM by grapesofraft
reply to post by jd140



Guilty as charged.

I hate the suffering of war as much as anyone else, but I also would rather see my side avoid that at any cost to the enemy. I just dont see how it can be any other way.

We can make all the rules we want, but it doesnt mean the other side is going to follow them. Everybody "cheats" in war, because the cost of loosing is too great.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:12 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by grapesofraft


Thanks and you are right.
As much as I hate it war is neccessary in this world.
Its too bad, but it is the way it is.
That doesnt mean we have to enjoy it.
Only appreciate it far more than we apparently do.
So maybe we would work harder at not starting them
or being sucked in under false pretense.
Seems war is always about pretenses. Just sayin'



[edit on 12-6-2009 by dodadoom]


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:20 AM by dodadoom










reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:20 AM by jd140
reply to post by grapesofraft



It would be the best way to wage war, but as long as there are people out there who have never suffered war crying about human rights we will continue to lose thousands of lives. Then they have the gall to complain that to many of our troops are dying.

Oh well, I get to play in the sandbox again in a few months and wait around for the new set of rules that gets handed down to us because of the bleeding hearts.

Can't wait.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:24 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by jd140


Dont forget why you are there and who sent you.
It wasnt the "bleeding hearts".
It was the conservative war mongers bent on securing oil contracts.
You said bleeding! OMG!


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:44 AM by jd140
Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to
post by jd140


Dont forget why you are there and who sent you.
It wasnt the "bleeding hearts".
It was the conservative war mongers bent on securing oil contracts.
You said bleeding! OMG!


I blame many for the war. I blame the bleeding hearts for the way we have to fight it.

I hold more resentment to those that make fighting harder then it needs to be. As stated before war is always going to be around for one reason or another. No sense in getting upset with it.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:50 AM by dodadoom
Good point JD! Thanks!

AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON GENOCIDE AND THEFT


www.lakotaperspectives.com...
This was not an empty land, America. It was inhabited with millions of Indians. By 1890, there were only 250,000 Indians left!! As an American, what do you think happened to all those Indians? Never in the whole history of the world was there ever a bigger genocide or one more vicious. But what is most astounding about this, is the fact that Americans know nothing about this. The late, great Tony Black Feather used to always tell me, "Americans enjoy killing. They kill for fun. They even kill each other."
This is a first hand account as given to Dahr Jamail from a man who was actually in the Mosque when the US soldiers opened fire:.......
Americans were always God fearing Christian capitalists. They let nothing stand in the way of making a profit. How did they get by with it? Just don’t report it, don’t talk about it, and if you do, just lie about it. That’s the American way.



reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 01:52 AM by dodadoom
Respect for life and that of truly magnificent wild game is what hunting is all about. Not the killing. Even trophy hunters do not enjoy the killing part. Man hunts, has hunted for ages, in order to hunt game must be killed.
www.helium.com...
More bleeding heart stuff...
As long as we keep treating animals as insentient objects that were put on this planet to serve our desires, we will continue to oppress them, continue to hurt them, and continue to torture them. This causes us to be plagued by the guilt that lies like a blanket of anguish over the collective conscience of humanity. All over the world, animals are imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and killed violently, and all over the world, people go on as if this is just fine with them. Everyone is complicit in this crime, except for those who reject the products of the animal holocaust, embrace the vegan ideal, and choose a life where harming others is not an option.
www.care2.com...
The diligent hunter takes his game for food (roasting) and considers it a precious possession, as he has food for his family's table. Today men are slaughtering animals for wicked reasons. Many elephants and rhinos are killed for their tusks and horns and their bodies are left to rot. Other animals are slain for just the sport of it and their heads and bodies are stuffed to hang on a wall for a trophy of man's prowess, while the meat was discarded. Bulls are slain for men just to watch the sport of bull fighting. Cock fighting is another sport where the cocks are put together to see which one will kill the other. Gambling is usually associated with this sport. We could name other atrocities of killing animals which take place with evil motives.
www.bible.com...
Humans kill other humans for pleasure and profit and killing on a large scale represents the intelligent and systematic application of knowledge, skills and discipline.Humans have choices. Killing is a complex of behaviors that can involve many layers of motivation and preparation and diverse goals and purposes.... The innate tendencies to kill are rooted in hunting, stealing, competition for mates, defence of social status, and ownership of territory.Humans have choices. Killing is a complex of behaviors that can involve many layers of motivation and preparation and diverse goals and purposes. The innate tendencies to kill are rooted in hunting, stealing, competition for mates, defence of social status, and ownership of territory.Humans have choices. Killing is a complex of behaviors that can involve many layers of motivation and preparation and diverse goals and purposes. The innate tendencies to kill are rooted in hunting, stealing, competition for mates, defence of social status, and ownership of territory.
www.alphastore.org...

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reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 02:09 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by jd140


Why not just blame cheney/bush like you should, and admit your
over there still fighting a war that was stumbled into and bungled
up in the first place? Why are you blaming the bleeding hearts now?
Why not blame the ones who make you fight it AT ALL?
If you do the research, cheney was the one pushing
for it all along and he's STILL trying to justify it!
Sorry to seemingly go off topic. But war is killing.
And killing for the worst reason of all. Just because we think we need to.
Ya, we enjoy it alright, seems to give our lives meaning
and a sense of purpose.


[edit on 12-6-2009 by dodadoom]



reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 03:49 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by TheComte


Thank you for that post! Indeed what is up with that?
It must be a deep seated need to feel all powerfull.
An ego trip that never ends.....even throughout adulthood.
I actually have a pet pigeon.
No one will ever know the joy he has brought me and
I have had many pets throughout my life so I know
what a good pet is.
I could start a whole thread on him and I just might,
but after the way this one went I think I'll shoot myself instead,
so these guys will be satisfied and can drink their beers
together and talk about more killin' and cool stuff like that.


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 03:53 AM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Divinorumus



Um, wrong. Not murder. Murder basically killing with malicious intent. If you kill an animal simply to eat that is not with malice. Life feeds on life. Or do you feel that we should lock up *gasp* murder them* or wipe out every predator on the planet?

[edit on 12-6-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]


reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 03:54 AM by dodadoom
reply to post by Divinorumus


You are sooooo right! The proof is in our pants size!
Anyone who can trudge up and down freakin' mountains
packin a big a** gun looking for their food deserves to
find some. Just hope we're not on the menu one day too!
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