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Tasty bait, but these cut-price psychos are an aberration, surely?
Nobody believes they are entitled to kill for pleasure. That's why they always find excuses for it. That is precisely how all this 'I eat therefore I hunt' nonsense got started. It's just rationalization and self-justification from people who know the pleasure they take in slaughter is a guilty one.
All (this includes you) take pleasure in killing under the right circumstances. This is not a 'primitive' tendency: it is the evolved instinct of one of the most advanced and complex lifeforms ever to inhabit this planet.
And talking of kittens, anyone who has ever owned one knows that some animals, at least, kill for the sheer pleasure of it.
We accept killing for food as a disagreeable necessity - HulaAnglers may not agree, but meat (in moderation) is natural to the human diet and a good thing too, because we sometimes find ourselves in places - the sea, the tundra, the desert - where the only sustenance is meat.
I don't actually despise vegetarians (in fact, I rather admire of them for having a principle and living up to it) but I don't see anything morally wrong in eating meat and think it is healther than otherwise to do so.
Not all of you will follow me along the next few steps. I think killing should be avoided as far as possible. Certainly we should never kill each other except under the gravest necessity, and wanton killing of animals is a disgrace. But I don't think killing (or any other action) is intrinsically good or evil in itself. It is merely right or wrong, or perhaps ethically neutral, and that depends on all the circumstances surrounding the act. And one of the most important circumstances, for the perpetrator and society alike, is the motive for the act.
If I shoot a leopard that's about to attack me, I don't doubt that killing the beast would afford me not just relief but extreme pleasure. It would, I think, be perfectly justified. But imagine now that the leopard I shot was one of the last remnants of a dwindling species - a snow leopard, perhaps. Now another moral dimension emerges. You might argue that I'm still justified in killing and taking pleasure in it, since it was my life against the leopard's. But another person might ask me, 'What were you doing in the leopard's space to begin with? Your mere presence in its habitat is an offence, precisely because it makes possible a confrontation of this kind.'
And what if I reply, 'I was flying in a plane over this country. The plane developed engine trouble and crash-landed. I am the only survivor.' What then? Does that absolve me of the responsibility of killing? Or of guilt for the pleasure I took in it? Does it make it any better that I have contributed materially to the extinction of a species?
Is the extinction of a species such a big deal, anyway?
Surely by far the larger part of all the species that have existed on Earth since life first emerged must now be extinct. What difference does it make - in a moral sense - if we extinguish a few more? Who's counting, apart from us? We'll never eradicate all life on Earth, it just isn't possible.
Nature makes no moral demands on us - only instinctive ones. We make morality, and we make it in order to manage our instincts. I believe killing for pleasure is wrong: whether or not you then eat what you have killed makes no difference.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by dodadoom
. It is simply my place in the scheme of things. Life feeds on life.
[edit on 11-6-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
and so it is about choice - you are allowing for the possibility of choice - aren't you? :-)
Originally posted by ahnggk
You know Orcas are separated by cultures too.
Originally posted by gtatix
reply to post by dodadoom
I have no problem with eating meat. There are those who can slaughter animals for food - and without them I suppose we wouldn't have the meat we choose/desire/need to eat.
I do have a problem with people who shoot to kill strictly for the sport. I don't understand how someone could enjoy watching anything die. We kill houseflies and spiders - actually I have been putting spiders outside lately as opposed to killing them! But to see a living breathing mammal drop and flop until it dies is quite sickening.
It honestly makes me wonder if the people that shoot to kill - for sport only - have major psychopathic problems. If given the opportunity to do this to a human - with the guarantee that they wouldn't get caught - how many of these people would jump at the opportunity?