The Okinawa Rosetta stones and the Yonaguni site, page 1

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Topic started on 11-6-2009 @ 10:08 AM by warrenb

The incised picture which can be regarded that they drew a ship, a Takakura and farming tools on a slate palette like a natural rock board, or the ones thought of as a sign or a character are minced. It is named the Rosetta Stone of Okinawa” after the “Rosetta Stone” that led to form the basis of Egyptology after breaking the hierograph written there later with a slate palette which was found at the feeder of River Nile because of indecipherable characters or their form. There are 12 slate palettes in this kind of slate palette which was found in Kadena-cho and Hokutan-cho now, but it is said that Dr. Yamasaki Seidou who was a college head at Kumamoto Medical University and Mr. Shimabukuro Gen-ichiro collected around there a stone palette found for the first time in the 8th year of Showa era when they visited the tomb of Mr. Noguni Sokan. After that, the same slate palettes which were found through the prewar and the post war, the data is by halves dealt because the found situation was unclear, but recently it is attracting the attention of people as a key to resolving the history in the age without characters in Okinawa. There are some aspects of a slate palette, but as the representative example, it is believed that (1) the modern farming tool data, (2) the old characters in Ryukyu seen in the “Jisoushi”, and (3) the one which the scene of the port was drawn, but there is no accepted theory and it is a very mysterious slate palette.

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These stone are a few of those found on Okinawa island in 1952 (?).

These stones bear many symbols which apparently can be found on the disputed Yonaguni structure. More info on that HERE.

Very interesting topic and I'm glad that Japanese researchers are taking a proactive view in their work. The more we can uncover and learn about our past, the better.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 12:36 PM by Byrd

Thing is, that the inscriptions are very much modern, made within the past 100 years and possibly within the past 50 years.

The lines are bright and sharp and deep, not pecked into the rock, and are made with a modern tools (the tight angle of the curves reveals that it was an implement with a small tip like a knife -- you can't do spirals like that with a blade that's very thick).

These are random symbols and are not language (for one thing, language is written along a line of some sort... either side-to-side or up and down).

To give you a better idea, here's a link to genuinely old carved language (Ogham... so the stone's at least 1500 years old)
www.chrono.qub.ac.uk...

And the Rosetta Stone (a detail), carved in very hard granite and still showing some wear:
upload.wikimedia.org...

This is a modern fake (based off ancient Hebrew, so the symbols are language in many cases) :
www.ancient-hebrew.org...

And at Inscription Canyon you can see petroglyphs that are over 5,000 years old... defaced with modern graffiti (like the cross):
www.blm.gov...

See the differences? Those stones are modern and not ancient.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 12:49 PM by warrenb

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I disagree due to the fact that there is no evidence to irrefutably substantiate whether they are real or not. Also the symbols on those stones are found around the planet. Did the supposed hoaxer from the 1950's travel the world and copy all the symbols which most where not even discovered at that time.

In any event, what cannot be explained and is very real, is the discovery of carvings at Yonaguni that match symbols on those stones discovered in the 1950's. That and the obvious signs of man on the very very ancient structure.

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reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 01:41 PM by Kandinsky

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The Yonaguni site is misidentified as an underwater 'pyramid.' It's actually a geological formation. The 'signs' in the image posted haven't been accepted as signs by anyone other than Kimura. Robert Schoch (geologist) is well known for being open to new ideas (see his dating of the Sphinx). He embarked on a dive at Yonaguni and concluded it was a natural formation. There isn't any academic support for Yonaguni being other than a geological formation.

Byrd isn't posting an opinion. It's an informed conclusion based on professional experience in the field.

I can provide supporting evidence if required, but essentially the inscriptions aren't genuine and the Yonaguni site is not artificial.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 01:56 PM by warrenb

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True the Yonaguni stone is not artificial, the stones are geologically formed. However the traces of man at the site via carvings, holes and such, are proof that in ancient times man did "modify" the existing geological formation.

morien-institute.org...

Natural? No.

morien-institute.org...

Natural? No.

But that is just "my" professional opinion. In any event, you're welcome to believe whomever you like.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 02:15 PM by kidflash2008

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Read Graham Hancock's "Underworld" and you will see that Mr Schoch has changed his mind several times over whether the Yonaguni site has been enhanced by people.

There are many more underwater sites that need to be researched. The sea level was over three hundred feet lower 12,000 years ago, and if there were any such lost civilizations, they would be under water.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 02:45 PM by Kandinsky

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If you agree that it isn't an artificial 'structure' and that it's a natural limestone feature of the Ryukyuan Isands...I'm not sure what point you're making? The area was inhabited in the late Pleistocene and onwards. There's a wealth of archaeology to support the early population. Okinawa and Ryukyuan islands have a documented culture. No 'lost' anything

(there's a thread that discusses all this. Maybe the Von Daniken thread? I posted a few links)

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 02:49 PM by Kandinsky

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I'm positive that there's a lot of sites underwater and under-researched or undiscovered. Just seems that Yonaguni gets more press and intrigue than is justified.

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:06 PM by warrenb

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Where did you get "natural limestone" from?

It is not limestone it is "columnar basalt" which happens to be a very tough stone. It is the same stone, coincidentally that was used in ancient constructions around the world; ie. Machu Pichu, Nan Madol, Casa Malpais, La Venta and thousands of others.

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reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:19 PM by Kandinsky

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Thermoluminescence [TL] dating of calcite is useful for corals in the Pleistocene Ryukyu Limestone in Okinawa Island, in which no aragonite is found. Fossil calcite corals in the Ryukyu Limestone have a variety of induced TL glow curves with peaks at about 150, 210, 250 and 310°C.

Thermoluminescence dating of the Ryukyu Limestone

Geographical uses of Ryukyuan limestone

Limestone concentrations resembling coastal terraces found in several Ryukyuan sites have sharp edges, right-angles, and unusual arrangements. Hypothesis suggests that these ocean terraces are natural structures that may have been utilized, modified, or enhanced by humans in ancient times.

The Ryukyuan Submerged Landforms of the Late Quaternary

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:28 PM by Kandinsky

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Also...

Dr. Schoch is doubly persuasive because he’s both an academic and an iconoclast whose best-known work argues for the pre-dynastic antiquity of the Great Sphinx. Another of his books, Voyage of the Pyramid Builders, credits our early civilizers with a much greater seafaring mobility than they are conventionally allowed. In short, pushing the clock back is a professional passion for Schoch. If the YUP were manmade—or even somewhat altered by man—the work had to have been done while much of the oceans waters were still locked up in the glaciers of the last Ice Age, probably as much as 10,000 years ago. So he came to Yonaguni in 1997 hoping to find the smoking gun of a sophisticated antediluvian enterprise. Instead, he found “a wonderful little island, and a fabulous place to dive.” But nothing that couldn’t be explained, “much more parsimoniously”—as he told me in a phone interview—“by natural processes.”

Secrets of Yonaguni

Show us any evidence that isn't connected to Morien Institute or Kimura? There isn't much...I've looked

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:30 PM by warrenb

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You are talking about things "on land".

do you realize the difference between "on land" and "under the sea" ?

The "info" you provide is only in relation to "on land" and not "under" the sea.

So until then....goodbye

reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:33 PM by Kandinsky

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It's the same thing