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are the claims in zeitgist exaderated or are they mostly true... And if you believe in jesus please explaing your reasoning for this.
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Years ago I was taking classes from the Rabbi at the local temple. He was not just an ordinary rabbi, and he had a doctor's degree in the study of how Judaism and Christianity separated, so he had a very good understanding of Jesus.
after watching zeitgist about a year ago and frequently visiting this site it makes me seriously dobut the existince of jesus,
Originally posted by tylerc25211
I was born into a cristian family and have been baptised, had my first comunion ect. But latley, after watching zeitgist about a year ago and frequently visiting this site it makes me seriously dobut the existince of jesus, i still believe in a "god" but not jesus...
The main reason for this thread is to try and find out what you guys believe in and why. are the claims in zeitgist exaderated or are they mostly true... And if you believe in jesus please explaing your reasoning for this. But as of right now im leaning towards the fact that he never existed, maby someone will get me off the fence and know for sure what to believe...
Originally posted by DaniemALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
Originally posted by DaniemNo one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people.
Originally posted by DaniemThere occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus.
Originally posted by DaniemAll documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.
Originally posted by DaniemWe know that mythology can arise out of no good information whatsoever. We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies believed as fact taken from nothing but belief and hearsay.
Originally posted by DaniemA historian today who writes about the life of George Washington, of course, cannot serve as an eyewitness, but he can provide citations to documents which give personal or eyewitness accounts. None of the historians about Jesus give reliable sources to eyewitnesses, therefore all we have remains as hearsay.
Originally posted by DaniemAlthough the gospels of the New Testament are attributed to Jesus' followers, no one knows who actually wrote any of them.
Originally posted by DaniemNot only do we not know who wrote them, consider that none of the Gospels existed during the alleged life of Jesus, nor do the unknown authors make the claim to have met an earthly Jesus. Add to this that none of the original gospel manuscripts exist; we only have copies of copies.
Originally posted by DaniemThe stories themselves cannot serve as examples of eyewitness accounts since they came as products of the minds of the unknown authors, and not from the characters themselves.
Originally posted by DaniemThe Gospels describe narrative stories, written almost virtually in the third person. People who wish to portray themselves as eyewitnesses will write in the first person, not in the third person.
Originally posted by DaniemMany of the statements of Jesus claim to have come from him while allegedly alone. If so, who heard him? It becomes even more marked when the evangelists report about what Jesus thought.
Originally posted by DaniemTo whom did Jesus confide his thoughts? Clearly, the Gospels employ techniques that fictional writers use. In any case the Gospels can only serve, at best, as hearsay, and at worst, as fictional, mythological, or falsified stories.
Paul the Apostle seen Him.. *..your claim of hearsay accounts are not true.
There are over 16 non-Christian ancient sources for the historical Jesus... *..There is nothing wrong with writings from other people..
What about historians who write autobiographies?
TV series called, "A Haunting". And those hauntings are documented
Matthew and John were His disciples.
Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by badmedia
The OP said:
it makes me seriously dobut the existince of jesus
So it seems totaly rational for me to address the issue of him having lived or not! We arent talking about what he taught.
you will do everything you can to avoid talking about that. Why? Because you can't prove it wrong or even say a bad word about it without exposing yourself.