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CIA Has Uncrackable Code Sculpture Outside Its Building?

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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:08 AM
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Is... that perhaps where the sculpture is located? Maybe some ancient egyptian treasure is buried underneath it, warranting the placement of a large heavy metal object on top of it?




posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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The third out of the 4 is the account from when they opened the tomb of Tutankhamen.

Interesting.



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:10 AM
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I was just thinking there.

There are rumors tha Fort Knox is empty......

Could be where the gold is


Wild goose chase or what?



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by XXXN3O
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The coordinates 38°57′6.5″N, 77°8′44″W

Right next to the CIA headquarters and Langley Fork Park.


Google Maps shows that as the exact location of the Kryptos sculpture. ?
?



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

Originally posted by XXXN3O
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The coordinates 38°57′6.5″N, 77°8′44″W

Right next to the CIA headquarters and Langley Fork Park.


Google Maps shows that as the exact location of the Kryptos sculpture. ?
?


BETWEEN SUBTLE SHADING AND THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT LIES THE NUANCE OF IQLUSION

IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO

(Hence 38°57′6.5″N, 77°8′44″W )

SLOWLY DESPARATLY SLOWLY THE REMAINS OF PASSAGE DEBRIS THAT ENCUMBERED THE LOWER PART OF THE DOORWAY WAS REMOVED WITH TREMBLING HANDS I MADE A TINY BREACH IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND THEN WIDENING THE HOLE A LITTLE I INSERTED THE CANDLE AND PEERED IN THE HOT AIR ESCAPING FROM THE CHAMBER CAUSED THE FLAME TO FLICKER BUT PRESENTLY DETAILS OF THE ROOM WITHIN EMERGED FROM THE MIST X CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING Q (?)

It is 200 feet from the sculpture, not referencing the actual location of the sculpture.

It shows up as the location of the statue though, strange, it shouldnt.

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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:16 AM
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...why would it have coordinates of the sculprture... ON the sculpture. That just doesnt make sense? And king tut was known for all that gold they found so maybe its a second fort knox?


Nah, I think its more important than that.
Who would this WW fellow have passed the information down to? If he died, what year was it?



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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Extra info i've gathered....


A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book that has been scraped off and used again. The word "palimpsest" comes through Latin from Greek παλιν + ψαω = ("again" + "I scrape"), and meant "scraped (clean and used) again." Romans wrote on wax-coated tablets that could be smoothed and reused, and a passing use of the rather bookish term "palimpsest" by Cicero seems to refer to this practice. The term has come to be used in similar context in a variety of disciplines, notably architectural archaeology.


So thats what one of the first keys means.


The name Kryptos comes from the Greek word for "hidden"


And thats the second key. The first code seems to be a time of day... like, after noon but before it gets dark. Dusk probably?


At the same time as the main sculpture was installed, sculptor Sanborn also placed several other pieces around CIA grounds, such as several large granite slabs with sandwiched copper sheets outside the entrance to the New Headquarters Building. Several morse code messages are engraved in the copper, and one of the slabs has an engraved compass rose. Other elements of Sanborn's installation include a landscaped area, a duck pond, and several other seemingly unmarked slabs.


So this guy put other anomalous things there.... morese code, a compass rose??

OH, AND READ THIS!

Note: The coordinates mentioned in the plaintext: 38°57′6.5″N 77°8′44″W / 38.951806°N 77.14556°W / 38.951806; -77.14556; on Google Maps; analysis of the cited location. The point is about 200 feet south of the sculpture itself.

So its not exactly where the sculpture is, but 200 feet south?

Of the second keys, one is KRYPTOS again which means hidden and the other is abscissa... which is some kind of mathematical equation of planefinding or something er other? Im not good @ math lol... see this wikipedia page for more info.

en.wikipedia.org...

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[edit on 6/11/2009 by ZyPHeR]



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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You're right. The actual sculpture is just north of those coordinates.



The Kryptos sits within the white circled area, with the red dot being the actual coordinates given.


kryptos.arcticus.com...
The red dot surrounded by four pink dots in the southern part of the courtyard is the NAD83/WGS84 plot. The green dot to the east (plotted on the arched white cafeteria roof) is the NAD27 interpretation. This odd location immediately suggests that this interpretation is incorrect, reinforcing my original NAD83/WGS84 theory.

I believe based on my data sources that the accuracy of this plot is probably in the 1m (3 foot) range. The original coordinates were specified in Degrees, Minutes, Seconds notation (38° 57' 6.5"N, 77° 8' 44"W) as opposed to decimal degrees (as in 38.9518056°N, 77.1455556°W). Notably, the seconds portion of the Latitude has a decimal component, specifically 6.5" N. This .5 tells us to some degree (pun!) what the level of precision of the coordinate is.

The four pink dots surrounding the red dot are permutations of the coordinate by one tenth of a second on both axes. So, if the location in question had moved just 3 meters in any direction, the seconds coordinate would have increased or decreased by one tenth. This allows us to bound the error magnitude of the location.



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:33 AM
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Hmmm... that is interesting. Why would it describe a random point some 200 feet south of where its sitting? There has to be a reason, it doesnt just point to a place where there is nothing to be found. Maybe a miniscule code there? Or something is buried?

This guy built more encrypted things after the kryptos also...

Kryptos is the first cryptographic sculpture made by Sanborn. After Kryptos, however, he went on to make several other sculptures with codes and other types of writing, including one called Antipodes which is at the Hirshhorn Museum in Washington, D.C., an "Untitled Kryptos Piece" which was sold to a private collector, and a Cyrillic Projector with encrypted Russian text, which included an extract from a classified KGB document. The cipher on one side of Antipodes repeats the text from CIA's Kryptos. The cipher on its Russian side is duplicated on the Cyrillic Projector. The Russian portion of the cipher on the Cyrillic Projector and Antipodes was solved in 2003 after Elonka Dunin "led the charge",[7] with the ciphertext independently decrypted by Frank Corr and Mike Bales, and plaintext translation from Russian provided by Dunin.[8]



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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Have a read of this.


There'd been some speculation that the coordinates pointed to the exact location of the Kryptos sculpture itself. By my own calculations with a GPS though (granted, it's a cheap GPS which may have its own accuracy errors built in), the coordinates point to an area about 150' southeast of the sculpture. This was in another courtyard on the other side of a walkway, and I couldn't get into that courtyard because there was a sign saying "emergency exit only". Looking through the windows though, I saw a courtyard with another walkway, some more landscaped areas, and, right where I thought "x marks the spot" might be, I saw an area with a tree and, of most interest, a manhole cover.


elonka.com...

Anyone ever visted the coordinates?

Anyone work for the CIA who has access
?

[edit on 11-6-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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This is from the kryptos creator

On the other hand "Layer two" could be taken as another clue to solving Kryptos Part III (K4). Reluctant to give away more secrets in responding to inquiries from journalists, bloggers, and entrepreneurs, I hinted that the copper scroll folds back upon itself, and the final "Q" from K3 moves to K4 producing 49 digraphs (Periscope, March 2000); and that sun and shadow play a decrypting role (see Timeline Nov. 5, 2005 & Jan. 2, 2006)


Sun and shadow play a decrypting role? Maybe something shows up that 200 feet away that it describes when the sun is at the right height?
At what time did they open king tuts tomb?

Oh, and the line after the Q part describing the tomb when they opened it, the dude said, "Wonderful things" or "Yes, wonderful things" even though its not in the code, I thought that may help?
This is a site where the maker of the sculpture gives tiny, very unhelpful hints about the sculpture if you want to see what he has to say:
www.kryptos-cia.com...
-Z-

EDIT: NICE FIND!!! A manhole cover huh? Emergency exit only? Sounds... promising, maybe. But given they used a bad GPS its hard to say if they were even looking in the right direction. I wonder if we cant find like a 360 degree view of the CIA building in langley... kinda like how google earth u can see on the streets now from sidewalk level?

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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:52 AM
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Zypher:

With all that copper, and given today's economy, I'm surprised no one has stolen it yet.

All that copper could bring in a lot of money, and a lot of years behind bars if caught.

-EyesII



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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Lmao, why r u saying that @ me? Its not like IM planning on taking it!!
(Hides KRYPTOS hijacking plans...)


From what i've read so far, its located in a part of CIA headquarters thats not accessible to the public. Very few have even seen it in person, that may be why they cant crack the last part of the code. Maybe you have to BE THERE to actually see what it has to offer. Keep in mind its a 3D sculpture with coordinates pointing 150-200 feet from where it stands, also a non-public accessible place. I think im gonna dig up more about this WW fella... see what is written about him and what links he has to egypt, etc.
-Z-



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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Alternatively you could apply here...

www.cia.gov...




posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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Can anyone read the morse code? I am curious as to what THAT says. Maybe it has a key word that you are supposed to use to solve the last part... maybe thats also why its unsolved? People are too damn busy trying to unscramble the letters that are on the kryptos to look elsewhere. If anyone can translate morse code, heres the pics of it!

www.voynich.net...

Thought i'd post the rest of what the guy had said about the manhole cover 150-200 feet away


There'd been some speculation that the coordinates pointed to the exact location of the Kryptos sculpture itself. By my own calculations with a GPS though (granted, it's a cheap GPS which may have its own accuracy errors built in), the coordinates point to an area about 150' southeast of the sculpture. This was in another courtyard on the other side of a walkway, and I couldn't get into that courtyard because there was a sign saying "emergency exit only". Looking through the windows though, I saw a courtyard with another walkway, some more landscaped areas, and, right where I thought "x marks the spot" might be, I saw an area with a tree and, of most interest, a manhole cover.

At the base of the Kryptos sculpture itself is a round pool with a built-in fountain/pump, forcing water in a circular motion around the pool. I couldn't see into the pool because the water was too murky. As sheer speculation though, what I'm wondering, is whether the manhole cover might lead to some utility tunnels underneath the courtyard, perhaps even to the location of the pump that controls the fountain. There might be another clue or message near that "underground" pump.

It is of course impossible for me to explore down that utility tunnel, and probably just as unlikely for any of the agency's analysts to go down there. I'm hoping though that someone there might befriend one of the maintenance staff who *can* go down there, and see if there's anything interesting!


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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Gimme two ticks, ill see if I can.

The pictures are a bit bad.



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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www.voynich.net...

Ok this picture says SETIEEEEEESTETEITSEE



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Okay, if THIS isnt weird... check out what the more code messages say:


Q: What do the morse code messages say?

SOS, LUCID MEMORY, T IS YOUR POSITION, SHADOW FORCES, VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE, DIGETAL INTERPRETATU, and RQ (or maybe YR if it's looked at upside down). Some of the messages appear to be truncated or disappear as they go under a granite slab, so "T is your position" may be a portion of a message that says, "What is your position," and "Digetal interpretatu" might be short for "digetal interpretation". Please check here for some pictures or here for transcripts of the dots and dashes.


Shadow forces?? Like, CIA shadow ops? A secret army?
Lucid memory.... virtually invisible? T is your position... does that have something to do with the coordinates?



posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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Ive tried translating these pictures you posted but its not making any sense at all.

Try it for yourself if you like here www.onlineconversion.com...

Where did you get the page describing the translations?

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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Q: I'm going to be visiting Washington DC soon, can I help with any research?

Yes! Please stop by the Zola Spy Restaurant (next door to the new Spy Museum). Kryptos sculptor Jim Sanborn designed several elements of the restaurant's decor, and it's possible that some parts may give us clues towards Kryptos. For example, there's a "classified document wall" in the restaurant, with dozens of classified documents in English, Russian, and French from Sanborn's collection. We're trying to get closeup photographs of as many of those documents as possible.


Something here too maybe? Anyone live in DC?

Here XXX, read this:
www.elonka.com...



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