2 Japanese Carrying $134 Bil Worth Of U.S. Bonds Detained in Italy, page 9
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:15 AM by reugen
Originally posted by FunSized
I call BS on you . The pope is not the richest man in the wold and you'd do well to educate yourself with sites such as
this


And you pluck facts from a forum like this, what kind of research is that, unless you can present bank accounts, a balance sheet or something similar no one can really tell how much the vatican is worth. The church all over the world have vast assets in form of cash, land, forest and buildings,


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:49 AM by FunSized
reply to post by reugen



why don't you present some actual facts that the pope owns anything like oh IDK bank accounts, etc
I wasn't the one that started unfounded statements that were really thinly veiled hate mongering against a church.



reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 11:08 AM by carlitomoore
Link: www.whatdoesitmean.com...

A Sorcha Faal Take on the bonds. BRIBE MONEY. I know people don't consider this a proper source, but just saw it after reading this thread and thought i'd post it.


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 01:40 PM by Grey Magic
reply to post by Chris McGee



Indeed, is there a law that states that the ownership of the documents have to be disclosed before they get their 60% back?

All and all this is a weird c(h)ase.

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 05:37 PM by mattifikation
Originally posted by carlitomoore
Link:
www.whatdoesitmean.com...

A Sorcha Faal Take on the bonds. BRIBE MONEY. I know people don't consider this a proper source, but just saw it after reading this thread and thought i'd post it.


Well, it does help. Now we can rule out "Bribe Money" as an explanation...


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 06:01 PM by komp_uk
And I quote (without quoting)

Russia reportedly has ~140 billion in US debt they are trying to get rid of.

There was 134.5 Billion left in TARP at the end of March.

These two people were caught but NOT ARRESTED with 134.5 billion in US Bonds. Italian law states that they should have been arrested. As far as I know, only someone with diplomatic immunity can get away with something like that. Why they didn't use a diplomatic pouch is anybody's guess.... unless what they were toting around was under the official radar.

They were "Japanese Nationals," in Italy trying to get to Switzerland.

Timmy (the cheat) Geithner is currently in Italy, meeting with the Japanese and Russian financial guys in relation to the G-8.

Related links:

Link to SEC to check bonds to see if legit and
www.bloomberg.com...

Link to German article "Windfall for Italy?" www.spiegel.de...

Russia's holdings:

L:ink to Russia's plan to cut Treasury holdings. newsusa.myfeedportal.com...

And "U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Friday will meet Japanese Finance Minister Kaoru Yosano and Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin in Italy, the Treasury Department said on Thursday. " www.reuters.com...

And, on top of that, Karl Denninger of Market Ticker notes a Zerohedge story indicating that the Federal Reserve may be tampering with the market. market-ticker.denninger.net...

Which is why we were greatly troubled when we learned recently on good authority that Federal representatives may have opened multiple undisclosed-type accounts with none other than State Street Global Advisors over the past few months. All of these accounts are allegedly handled by one single trader, who is cocooned and isolated from interaction with other partners.

Taken from
urbansurvival.com...

Interesting

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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 10:04 PM by jefwane
Anyone speak German? Karl Denninger, over at the Market Ticker, is linking to a German source saying at least some of the bonds are real.

Google Translate of article from Welt Online

Original German article from Welt Online


That's pretty damn interesting. If we were in a normal economic cycle I'd throw this story in with the likes of Leo Wanta, GATA, and Sorcha Faal; but, we are not in normal times are we?



reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 11:14 PM by mmiichael
Interesting comments from someone using the name 'bdiego' following the article at Japan Today.

Who else but North Korea would send a couple guys on a commuter train with a false bottom bag?

We mustn't forget that even though the total value of all of them was astronomical, just getting someone to buy one at a deep discount would have been a coup.

And who know what the end game really was. Have them registered in some safety deposit box, stolen, ad try to collect insurance. Of course loopy, but we're dealing with some unusual characters who watch too many James Bond movies, and identify with the villains.

Mike


www.japantoday.com...

$134 Billion suggests it's either fake or from a sovereign fund. However that amount is a large fraction of what most countries hold of US treasuries - it's unlikely that China would just hand 5% or 10% of all US Debt they own to a pair of guys. It would be as likely as someone carrying 70 out of all 72 Monet's in the world across the border - fakes.

What's more likely is this is North Korea smuggling forgeries, first by landing in port in Italy by private ship then crossing the border by land into Switzerland where NK's financial stash is known to be. The idea is there's less scrutiny at border crossings than by plane where it will pass through x-ray (true to a degree). Italy is the simplest entry to Switzerland by boat, and NK employs several boats for smuggling as has been thoroughly documented and in fact being discussed as we speak at the UN for the new resolution.

[...]

Consider these background facts:

* North Korean faced international sanctions over institutional counterfeiting of US $100 bills. The country has no qualms about mass producing counterfeit money.

* North Korea has repeatedly manufactured fake passports, such as the Dominican Republic one used by Kim Il Jung's son to repeatedly enter Japan (where he was caught wearing a diamond encrusted watch). He claimed he was visiting Disneyland, but witnesses say he went straight to the red light district. The country has no qualms about mass producing counterfeit passports and claiming fake citizenship.

* There are a million ethnic Koreans in Japan who are otherwise Japanese, about a third of whom identify with North Korea and have supported North Korea's policies including kidnapping, murder, and international terrorism. North Korea has in fact admitted to these allegations, which are the crux of Japan's stance in six-way talks. North Korea has no qualms about terrorism, murder, kidnapping, or any crimes in general.

* North Korea's counterfeiting, missile sale, and opium production are all designed to generate hard currency it desperately needs to survive. It will do anything to get money.

* One of the few safe havens in the world for North Korea is Switzerland due to its strong neutrality. Kim Il Jung's heir went to school there and Switzerland serves as a repository for much of North Korea's currency and banking needs.

* North Korea has been known to use its small fleet of ships to transport agents into various countries for its crimes - as demonstrated by their use in kidnapping operations off Japan. Agents prefer to disembark by ship and cross borders by land.

* As only China, Japan, and Russia even possess this amount in bonds these are the only nationalities any smugglers would claim. Alas, such denominations of bonds do not exist in this amount and would be accounted for in any case, and they are almost definitely forgeries.

* North Korea has a colorful history of organized crime dating back decades - not many years have to pass for another bizarre pattern of crimes to emerge and it was only a couple of years ago they were caught for mass counterfeiting of dollars.


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reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 03:47 AM by reugen
Originally posted by jefwane

Original German article from Welt Online

That's pretty damn interesting. If we were in a normal economic cycle I'd throw this story in with the likes of Leo Wanta, GATA, and Sorcha Faal; but, we are not in normal times are we?


No these are not normal times, the worlds number one supernation is under severe stress, i suspect that this must be the operation either of several very wealthy individuals or companies that want to unload their holdings of us dollar or states like russia, china and japan that want to do the same. Somewhere on the horizon a sharp decline in the dollar value is quite probable.

So what happens if the dollar lose half its value, the US would actually gain today, it would spur inflation, imports would decline and exports would improve, which is exactly what the FED want at this moment.

Edit: Another not so far fetched idea, it could be Irans payment to North Korea for nuclear technology and weapons gade plutonium.





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