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posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps


115. [...] and he then stated that the UN was "in the process of confiscating Trillions and Trillions of Dollars in assets within the next couple of months and no one could do anything about it."


This would have been happening around 2009 or so. Therefore I think the MERS housing fraud and resultant murders can be tied back to this court case. Do you see that the courts, are purposefully slow, so as to allow looting and killing? Are you understanding why things moooooove soooo slooooowly?

How do you steal "trillions and trillions of Dollars in assets"?



www.mynews3.com...

Notary whistleblower on foreclosure fraud found dead as trial begins

LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3) -- The notary who signed tens of thousands of false documents in a massive robo-signing scandal case was found dead in her home on Monday.

The notary, 43-year-old Tracy Lawrence, was supposed to be in court at 8:30 Monday morning for her sentencing hearing. When her attorney did not hear from her for more than an hour, Sr. Deputy Attorney General Robert Giunta asked for a bench warrant to be issued for Lawrence. The judge denied the request.

Police were sent to Lawrence's house to check on her after her lawyer expressed concern for her client's well-being. They found her body inside her home.

Metro Homicide Detectives are working currently the case. It is unclear if her death was due to natural causes, or if it was a suicide.

Detectives said this afternoon that they have ruled out homicide as a cause of death.

Last Monday, Lawrence pled guilty to only one criminal charge of notary fraud.

Lawrence came forward earlier this month and admitted that she had notarized around 25,000 fraudulent documents as part of a foreclosure fraud scheme.


How can they be unsure about her death, but sure it wasn't homicide? Detective, I'd like you to empty your pockets please, we need to know if you are real or not, or if you're party to the UN thefts of trillions.

"trillions and trillions" means a a lot of hush money is floating around out there. But it takes a real scumbag to seal their lips due to cash payout. How would you know if your authority and/or enforcers are doing their job? How will you know who gets a million bucks to shut up? Explain please what "integrity" means circa 2011 on planet Earth.




posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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How can you people call yourselves researchers? For God's sake, this is the most important court filing in at least the past few years!

Someone somewhere tricked you into thinking that a house mortgage (paying for a home 3x over by financing for 30 years) was the ultimate dream! But all that does is make up fake money in the form of equity, which makes its way around the city/state/nation until it's used up, and if you made the payments for 30 years (likely you re-fied and are still paying monthly) then you get to keep the house, BUT MANY PEOPLE LOSE in this scheme, and they get foreclosed.

So the bank wins, when your signature creates the 30-years of credit, and the bank wins when they reposess the house --THE BANK DID NOTHING.

Then there are the true assheads who have taken this nothing-value, this dream-money, this ghostly-funding, and "tranched it" so as to sell the same scheme to the rest of the world, with the full knowledge that many of these mortgages would explode in the future, because chief Architect of Destruction Alan Greenspan, pushed the agenda to give these fake-money-signature-powers to people who didn't have the income to make the payments! A. Greenspan was the destroyer of the housing markets inside the USA. How is this man not hanging from his toes, being doused with cold water? That is what he deserves.

I have to throw my hands up and roll my eyes, when it's all delivered to youhere, as in this thread. You must all be sitting around, hoping the value in your home will last. I can assure you, it will not. This idea of homes-as-currency will crash as surely as a B-17 with no wings. Homes are not currency. If they were real property, they be treated as such, but what A. Greenspan did was to really inflate the homes-speculation market which began hard in the 1970's. He essentially sewed weeds in with the wheat. That man is a true ass of our time. And his student Benny B, outright lied to Congress when he said the Fed doesn't loan money to foreign banks --HE LIED RIGHT TO EVERYONE'S FACES. It was Dr. Ron Paul who had that exchange with him, it's on the toobes, I can't be bothered to do everything for you, FFS.

Now here there is court-filing testimony that says the United Nation is in the process of confiscating trillions and trillions of dollars, yet nobody here is keeping there eye on the ball, as to how that can even be done!

Trillions and trillions of dollars being stolen by the United Nations. Did you catch that part as you read this court pleading?

You can only steal trillions and trillions by engineering more fake bank credit and theft of fake bank credit through "real estate" aka houses and buildings, as with MERS fraud and so forth. Jesus H. Christ, I now realize there's no hope for America.

I could never have imagined the stupor and echo which come from these halls. I cannot believe people are talking about some retarded, meaningless fraud=voting election of some useless position such as the Executive of America. Nobody who gets elected President can fix this. So it must just be stockholm syndrome that makes you all so mush headed.

Anyway, America and neighborhoods, were fun while they lasted. When the UN bluehelmets show up with trillions of dollars of weapons systems they've purchased from China and Russia and probably even US companies as well, I am sure they will be as merciful to the Americans as with the Germans of WW2. No mercy, total surrender. Good luck to us all.



posted on Dec, 4 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Here is a radio host. Irritating in his morality and ethics, and radio-ness, I find it hard to listen to him.

However, he makes a good point right off the bat: "Get rid of the bad debt, hang on to the good debt". Also h mentions the denial of the US people. As if they have post-traumatic stress disorder. I think his observation is correct, though he mentions it jokingly.

I like how he is saying that there will always be "people who desperately need 600 dollar a month rentals." So he is saying he aims to become a landlord, one of the worst sorts of humans that has even existed. Of course in the old days, the "land lord" was the Feudal master, who would bond (imprison and own) the serf, the bonded. See Hegel's "Master and Bondsman" essay for the core philosophy of this.

As he mentions, they "blew up the bubble", and he mentions Goldman Sachs (also mentioned in this lawsuit of the thread here as having confirmed the Chiasso JFK bonds as being real) but it was A. Greenspan who actually was in charge of the Fed, and who sewed explosive weeds in the houses-as-money idea.



Anyway, this video is irritating in its Mammonism, and it's old (from 2010), but it contains truth.

I wanted to re-post this particularly good comment on this video, from you toobe user "Nueroactive". I agree with this comment which criticizes the video and its underlying philosophy:



So to promote the slavery of others, I should buy into homes which people should struggle to pay me to live in. If you can close yourself off to their feelings of sufferings you can enjoy your fake riches. If the world's people should strive for riches over the lives of others then they are headed for the destruction of the earth. Life was not made to worship money! Governments whom we do not know require taxes and worse when they tax you for your souls treasures without you knowing. -- Nueroactive 1 day ago


Amen to you and your true you toobe comment Nueroactive. It is truly sad how small a microphone is given to common sense, and how big a megaphone, is given to sheer lies and thievery and all manner of anti-human solutions and thinking.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Well, if anyone is still interested.... here is a story that ties in to this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

.. and may well answer or muddle some questions and comments made thus far....

Happy hunting!



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Yeah, you know I am!
And smallpeeps too, we cant get this out of our minds!

So, its actually true then, Keenan did file this suit!


www.courthousenews.com...

Well, this blows my mind! Talk about a mother of all conspiracies!


Thank you Max!



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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These are war tactics, by the Chinese.
edit on 9-12-2011 by SelfSustainedLoner because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Alright, well here goes.

I did some research...and it appears that one man who was a witness in the case, sadly
has actually turned up dead, and his obituary is here:

www.legacy.com...

Joseph Bendana from Newark NJ.


Criminal charges will be filed this week in New Jersey in a $1 trillion robbery case that implicates top officials of the World Economic Forum (Davos) top UN officials including UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and members of the Italian P2 Masonic Lodge, according to top US law enforcement officials and lawyers for the owners of the over $1 trillion in stolen financial instruments. The individual directly responsible for stealing the funds, P2’s Daniele Dal Bosco was recorded asking Giancarlo Bruno “Head of the Financial Services Industry” at Davos to have myself and three other individuals murdered. In addition, Joe Bendana, the man who assisted in the case within the US on behalf of Neil Keenan and also provided affidavits to other governments and Interpol was also threatened directly by Dal Bosco 4 days before he was found murdered in his residence, Newark, New Jersey, last Saturday, September 4, 2010. Police are treating the death of Bendana as a homicide because of the threats and because there was a security breach at his residence the night he died.unitednationsoffilm.com...



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Ok, more found. The P2 is real.


Propaganda Due
en.wikipedia.org...

Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation: [propaˈɡanda ˈduːe]), or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic or "black" or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Italian constitutional laws banning secret lodges, and membership of government officials in secret membership organizations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.[1]

P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, members of parliament, industrialists, and military leaders—including Silvio Berlusconi, who later became Prime Minister of Italy; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services.

When searching Licio Gelli's villa, the police found a document called the "Plan for Democratic Rebirth", which called for a consolidation of the media, suppression of trade unions, and the rewriting of the Italian Constitution.[4]

Outside Italy, P2 was also active in Uruguay, Brazil and in Argentina, with Raúl Alberto Lastiri, Argentina's interim president (between July 13, 1973 to October 12, 1973) during the height of the "Dirty War" among its members. Emilio Massera, who was part of the military junta led by Jorge Rafael Videla from 1976 to 1978, José López Rega, minister of Social Welfare in Perón's government and founder of the Argentine Anticommunist Alliance ("Triple A"), and General Guillermo Suárez Mason were also members.[5]



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:37 AM
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Ok also we must look too at the Vatican bank, astonished as it was to
find it had to adhere to regular banking policy! Back from 2010, this was after the bonds
were confiscated,and apparently are still being held somewhere.

Vatican Bank 'allowed clergy to act as front for Mafia'



The Vatican Bank is under new scrutiny in a case involving money-laundering allegations that led police to seize €23m (£19.25m) in September.


The Vatican calls the seizure of assets a "misunderstanding" and expresses optimism it will be quickly cleared up. But fresh court documents show that prosecutors say the Vatican Bank deliberately flouted anti-laundering laws "with the aim of hiding the ownership, destination and origin of the capital". The documents also reveal investigators' suspicions that clergy may have acted as fronts for corrupt businessmen and Mafia.

The documents pinpoint two transactions that have not been reported: one in 2009 involving the use of a false name, and another in 2010 in which the Vatican Bank withdrew €650,000 from an Italian bank account but ignored bank requests to disclose where the money was headed.www.independent.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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One other thing I noticed was that the article said they were detained by "Italian financial police". Countries now have "financial police" Makes you wonder what others kinds of police countries have ...


Yeah, I also find strange that the USA has the Secret Service doing that same type of policing, but hey the real situation of the dollar must be kept a secret
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posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Alright, I can start to see the connections here. It all fits together like a puzzle.


LONDON: A former Swiss banker today handed over documents of 2,000 high net worth people from US, Britain and Asia to WikiLeaks that he claims would expose attempts by these business leaders and lawmakers to evade tax payments.

Rudolf Elmer, a former employee of Swiss-based Bank Julius Baer, said the account holders include celebrities, business leaders and lawmakers articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com...


And to word it differently...


Today, Rudolf Elmer, a former COO of one of the biggest Swiss banks, Julius Baer, may have just nailed the last, and with that set off a chain reaction that will force a huge outcry against pervasive global tax fraud (but likely achieve nothing ultimatel). According to the Guardian, tomorrow Elmer will hand over details of 2,000 "high net worth individuals and corporations" to WikiLeaks which will make him "the most important and boldest whistleblower in Swiss banking history." And since among those exposed will be "approximately 40 politicians" expect all hell to break loose as photos of Assange having a underage orgy with Al Qaeda members are suddenly made public to diffuse what is bound to be another huge (if brief - after all human kind cannot bear very much reality).
zero hedge


Further reading:


British and American individuals and companies are among the offshore clients whose details will be contained on CDs presented to WikiLeaks at the Frontline Club in London. Those involved include, Elmer tells the Observer, "approximately 40 politicians".

Elmer, who after his press conference will return to Switzerland from exile in Mauritius to face trial, is a former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank, which accuses him of stealing the information.

He is also – at a time when the activities of banks are a matter of public concern – one of a small band of employees and executives seeking to blow the whistle on what they see as unprofessional, immoral and even potentially criminal activity by powerful international financial institutions m.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Ok, more found. The P2 is real.


Big time thanks on behalf of the whole human race, to you, burntheships. You shine while all others are dull.

In regards to your mention of PDue, yes, back when tinwiki was alive I had a big blurb about PDue on my personal page. Alas tinwiki we hardly knew ye.

But essentially it's all about gangs who fight with each other. Let's see...

[HISTORY PART ONE]


en.wikipedia.org...
Luciano Leggio: In 1945 he was recruited by the Mafia boss of Corleone, Michele Navarra, to work as an enforcer and hitman. [...] While behind bars in the late 1940s he met Salvatore (Toto) Riina, who was then aged 19 and starting a six-year sentence for manslaughter. The two eventually became accomplices in crime after Riina's release. [...] in 1956 the Leggio faction went to war with Navarra and his followers. [...] Leggio spent the 1960s and early 1970s increasing the strength of the Corleonesi, murdering anyone who got in its way. In particular, he wanted control of the refining and trafficking of heroin that soon provided a huge source of income to the Sicilian Mafia.

[END HISTORY PART ONE]

So... Essentially as the 1970's dawned, it was the rise of drugs and crime. We in the USA had Nixon, totally blackmailed and controlled puppet that he was, and behind him was Alexander Haig who was the US Milspec top dude who (during Reagan downtime) signed the Drug War orders and thereby began the Crack Cocaine wars/money which funded black ops like our actions in Central America. So behind all the modern moves, and behind all the gangs, even the ones that appear noble and good, is the slime of heroin and crack, and the scumbags who feed it to the world.

Then, during the 1970s, the Cosa Nostra had to defend against the aformentioned Riina and Leggio as the gangsters of Italy fought for the right to profit from feeding heroin to the world. That is the soup where Propaganda Due was cooked up.

Using your quoted text above, I have snipped it to clarify the points.


Propaganda Due
en.wikipedia.org...

[...] P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn)


So here in 1976 we can see that the charter of PDue was withdrawn right at the same time as the Gerald Ford coup and BushCo ascendency within the USA. This is also where you get Cheney and Rumsfeld sneaking into the halls of power through their evil ways.

But let's pause there in 1976 and re-examine the WW2 era as to organized crime. Obviously the fascist El Duce Mussolini had a big part to play, as Rome and the Vatican sat on the sidelines of their great holocaust called WW2 (holocaust means: burnt offering)



en.wikipedia.org...

Fascist suppression

In 1925, Benito Mussolini initiated a campaign to destroy the Mafia and assert Fascist control over Sicilian life. [...]

As prime minister, he visited Sicily in May 1924 and passed through Piana dei Greci where he was received by the mayor, Mafia boss Francesco Cuccia. At some point Cuccia expressed surprise at Mussolini’s police escort and whispered in his ear: "You are with me, you are under my protection. What do you need all these cops for?" After Mussolini rejected Cuccia's offer of protection, Cuccia instructed the townsfolk to not attend Mussolini's speech. Mussolini felt humiliated and outraged.[39][40]

Cuccia’s careless remark has passed into history as the catalyst for Mussolini’s war on the Mafia. When Mussolini firmly established his power in January 1925, he appointed Cesare Mori as the Prefect of Palermo in October 1925 and granted him special powers to fight the Mafia.[39] Mori formed a small army of policemen, carabinieri and militiamen, which went from town to town, rounding up suspects. To force suspects to surrender, they would take their families hostage, sell off their property,[41] or publicly slaughter their livestock.[42] By 1928, over 11,000 suspects were arrested.[43] Confessions were sometimes extracted through beatings and torture. [...]

Mori's campaign ended in June 1929 when Mussolini recalled him to Rome. Although he did not totally crush the Mafia as the Fascist press proclaimed, his campaign was nonetheless very successful. As the Mafia informant Antonino Calderone reminisced: "The music changed. Mafiosi had a hard life. [...] After the war the mafia hardly existed anymore. The Sicilian Families had all been broken up."[49]


[CONTINUED ON NEXT POST...]



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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en.wikipedia.org...

[CONT. FROM ABOVE]

[...] As the Mafia informant Antonino Calderone reminisced: "The music changed. Mafiosi had a hard life. [...] After the war the mafia hardly existed anymore. The Sicilian Families had all been broken up."[49]

Sicily's murder rate sharply declined.[50] Landowners were able to raise the legal rents on their lands; sometimes as much as ten-thousandfold.[44] Many mafiosi fled to the United States. Among these were Carlo Gambino and Joseph Bonanno, who would go on to become powerful Mafia bosses in New York City.

Post-Fascist revival

In 1943, nearly half a million Allied troops invaded Sicily. Crime soared in the upheaval and chaos. Many inmates escaped from their prisons, banditry returned and the black market thrived.[12] During the first six months of Allied occupation, party politics in Sicily were banned.[51] Most institutions, with the exception of the police and carabinieri,[52] were destroyed, and the American occupiers had to build a new order from scratch. As Fascist mayors were deposed, the Allied Military Government of Occupied Territories (AMGOT) simply appointed replacements. Many turned out to be mafiosi, such as Calogero Vizzini and Giuseppe Genco Russo.[53][54] They could easily present themselves as political dissidents,[55] and their anti-communist position made them further desirable. Mafia bosses reformed their clans, absorbing some of the marauding bandits into their ranks.[56]

[...]

In the 1950s, a crackdown in the United States on drug trafficking led to the imprisonment of many American mafiosi. Furthermore, Cuba, a major hub for drug smuggling, fell to Fidel Castro. This prompted the American mafia boss Joseph Bonanno to return to Sicily in 1957 to franchise out his heroin operations to the Sicilian clans. Anticipating rivalries for the lucrative American drug market, he negotiated the establishment of a Sicilian Mafia Commission to mediate disputes.[61]


Okay so that's the history up to the Godfather events of the 1950 through the 1970s. I mention this part first because to understand this pleading, we have to understand the gangs involved, primarily

A: The Kuomintang (Chinese/Taiwan Gangs), en.wikipedia.org...
B: The Cosa Nostra (Italy/Vatican Gangs), and
C: The Russians (Slavic Marxist/Orthodox Gangs).



[Propaganda Due] [...] operating illegally [...] from 1976 to 1981.


I wanted to get a decent reply in here before getting some stuff done today, but later today I will continue responding to your fine posts burnstheships. As for the events of 1976 and beyond, yeah, fun stuff.

Anyone who wants to get a head start on this can read Claire Sterling's fine book "Thieves World" which is available at any library in the US. I'm pretty stoked to post some good stuff from it here. She essentially explains that we today live under the power of the "Pax Mafiosa" which is the "peaceful" drugging and destruction of the world which was arranged in Aruba in th early 1990s. I'm looking forward to posting more.



en.wikipedia.org...

Sterling's first book revisited the 1948 death of Jan Masaryk, the Czechoslovak foreign minister, which she blamed on Soviet or Czechoslovak Stalinists.[1] More controversial were her books The Terror Network (1981) and The Time of the Assassins (1984). In the former book, which was translated into 22 languages, she claimed that Soviet Union was a major source of backing behind terrorist groupings around the world. The book was read and appreciated by Alexander Haig and William Casey, but its arguments were dismissed by the CIA's Soviet analysts. Sterling was the first to claim (in a September 1982 article in Reader's Digest) that the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope John II had been ordered by the Bulgarian Secret Service, a theory that became known as the "Bulgarian Connection."[6][7] The Time of the Assassins dealt with the assassination attempt and advanced this theory.[8] Her last two books dealt with the Sicilian Mafia and post-Communist globalized organized crime, respectively.[1]


Here is the link for Sterling's book "Theives' World: The Threat of the New Global Network of Organized Crime"
Amazon link: www.amazon.com...
^^^ How funny is it that truth is valued at .01 cents used? Haha, nobody cares about sad truths I guess.

Thanks again burntheships. Eye on the ball.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps


Anyone who wants to get a head start on this can read Claire Sterling's fine book "Thieves World" which is available at any library in the US. I'm pretty stoked to post some good stuff from it here. She essentially explains that we today live under the power of the "Pax Mafiosa" which is the "peaceful" drugging and destruction of the world which was arranged in Aruba in th early 1990s. I'm looking forward to posting more.
..........
^^^ How funny is it that truth is valued at .01 cents used? Haha, nobody cares about sad truths I guess.



Smallpeeps,

Thanks much for that fine lesson and expose there on the gangs of the past, and I am really looking
forward to your posts about Aruba and afterwards. See, honestly this is better than any soap opera
could ever hope to be, and I think that nearly always these criminal masterminds count on people
being incredulous to the point of non belief due to the sheer audacity of the crimes, the involvement
of leaders, heads of state, politicians, and world governmental organizations.

And thats a very sad day when folks will dismiss out of hand as crazy one of the most intriquing stories
of all time. Fortunately for us, we found each other!


Have a good day peeps, ttys!



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by burntheships
Alright, I can start to see the connections here. It all fits together like a puzzle.


LONDON: [...] attempts by these business leaders and lawmakers to evade tax payments.

Rudolf Elmer, a former employee of Swiss-based Bank Julius Baer, said the account holders include celebrities, business leaders and lawmakers articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com...



Nice links, sadly it is up to us, since all media channels are apparently bought and owned. When I say "us" of course I mean the plebian IP users. I await the IP plebiscite of Superjury(tm) as I have explained elsewhere on ye internets. When it comes about, we can root out gangsters and politicians alike.


Originally posted by burntheships
And to word it differently...



(from your zerohedge link


expect all hell to break loose as photos of Assange having a underage orgy with Al Qaeda members are suddenly made public



Hmm yeah. I think this part was commentary from the ZH writer, I do not find this passage above, in the original Guardian article. So I think the allegation above is probably heresay.

But,

blackmail is the way of Rothschildian schemes and it's really old news that you can coin money by Blackmail.

I have spoken of this in the not-famous "goverrments" thread which floats out on ye internetes. It could be said in fact, that "black-mail" is basically not unlike a precious dark gem, which be mined from men themselves. But when that gem is found, it does shine quite brightly, and with great value. Yes, for if a man has some thing he wants to hide, like say lust for other men, or desire for this or that, well, society as it is, does not accept those aspects of men. Therefore is the man himself, driven against the sheild of society, and squashed into silence like a grape.

That is to say, the Fabians use the hammer and anvil sybology, which is easy to understand. The blackmailed, is like the orange glowing heated metal. The hammer, is the blackmailer, who strikes the subject. And the anvil, is the prurient society of religion. All religions conspire to be the anvil. All gangsters conspire to be the hammers. The people, the mass of humans, is the glowing ingot.

To further the analogy above, as to how blackmail works, is that the anvil, actually represents not just the churches (all of them) but also those who adhere to the churches, and who lead false lives outwardly. These form the collective 'hypocrisy anvil', that presses the homosexual, the deviant, the travelers and drifters (gypsies, etc). Shunning, hangings, etc are all this sort of behavior.

So the gangsters know what I am saying here, they know that their whole profession depends on the Pope and his masses who sin and confess, sin and confess, etc, etc onward, in the global Vatican commo-network called "the confession booth". The greatest communications network ever built on earth, is used by both the hammer and the anvil. And people like you and me, and probably our ancestors too, are the metal being shaped through the global-hypocrisy meme.

But who knows about Assange. The guy is obviously being used or kept silent by force. So, it is odd that he just totally dropped off the radar, but to me, he's just another blip.



British and American individuals and companies are among the offshore clients whose details will be contained on CDs presented to WikiLeaks at the Frontline Club in London.

Those involved include, Elmer tells the Observer, "approximately 40 politicians".

[...] Elmer, who after his press conference will return to Switzerland from exile in Mauritius to face trial, is a former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank, which accuses him of stealing the information.

[...] one of a small band of employees and executives seeking to blow the whistle on what they see as unprofessional, immoral and even potentially criminal activity by powerful international financial institutions


It's funny how your first link, India Times calls him "An employee" whereas ZeroHedge clarifies that he was a Chief. Big difference between employee and chief, corporate-personagistically speaking, that is.

Then the third link confuses the first two because it says he was a "former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank" so what are they saying? Can "the Cayman Islands" themselves, be operated under a corporate personage? And if so, would that corporate personage have the typical corporate triad structure with beneficiaries and Chief Operating Officers and so forth? Maybe they meant he was the COO of Baer's Cayman corporate personage? Hmm. Again, there is a big difference between employee and chief, any human resource knows that.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Alright,

Here I sit on a beautiful but very cold day in December reading every post in this thread again, looking
for clues, and links that work.

This one post ( many others do also this will take some time ) stands out, as its information matches up
with the lawsuit filed, stating that some of the bonds were real.


Originally posted by jefwane
the Market Ticker, is linking to a German source saying at least some of the bonds are real.

Google Translate of article from Welt Online

Original German article from Welt Online



Links still work, awesome. Here is a quote from the translation....


At least a portion of bonds worth 96 billion €, who wanted to smuggle two men over the Italian border to Switzerland, is probably genuine.


Photo: KEYSTONE
Chiasso border crossing: Two Japanese wanted to smuggle billions in loans from Italy to Switzerland
The representative of the Italian financial police said on Saturday Como. To the Fund owns ten so-called Kennedy bonds, each one billion dollars (715 million euros) and 249 U.S. government bonds with a par value of $ 500 million (approximately € 358 million).
. The owners traveling by train to Switzerland - which, after two Japanese men over 50 - were taken into custody.

"Seem to regard the authenticity of the Kennedy-bonds, we still have doubts, but U.S. government bonds worth some 358 million € credible. They are made of filigree paper of excellent quality," said Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli. To argue that the papers of an extensive Bank in the original documentation in.


Also to note, the word "loans" is used.

Many many of the still working links state clearly the Japanese government was contacted and verified
the mens idenities. They were carrying valild Japanese passports, and were middle aged Japanese.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Then the third link confuses the first two because it says he was a "former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank" so what are they saying? Can "the Cayman Islands" themselves, be operated under a corporate personage? And if so, would that corporate personage have the typical corporate triad structure with beneficiaries and Chief Operating Officers and so forth?


Actually, the Cayman Islands are like a second Switzerland in comparison as tax "havens" maybe
a thing of the past soon, but still a destination place for all things to remain hidden from the tax-man.

And yes, I think that many of the corporations there are very suspect like, lines blurred between
much. I dont place any credence with Assange, as I think he was drawn in to a certain degree
and became an operative.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Then the third link confuses the first two because it says he was a "former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank" so what are they saying? Can "the Cayman Islands" themselves, be operated under a corporate personage? And if so, would that corporate personage have the typical corporate triad structure with beneficiaries and Chief Operating Officers and so forth?


Actually, the Cayman Islands are like a second Switzerland in comparison as tax "havens" maybe
a thing of the past soon, but still a destination place for all things to remain hidden from the tax-man.

And yes, I think that many of the corporations there are very suspect like, lines blurred between
much. I dont place any credence with Assange, as I think he was drawn in to a certain degree
and became an operative.


Good work there. As to your first response, I would say this: The fact that the pleading we've been discussing says plainly that "Goldman Sachs verified the DFFI were real" is the easiest waypoint to remember. Either this plaintiff here is lying about that, or he is telling the truth, so he can then expand on this. If I were to file an amicus brief with this court, I'd suggest they find out more about Goldman telling the plaintiff the DFFI are real. Simply put, all roads lead back to them. ...Now since the Encyclo. Judaica says plainly that Rothschild manages the Vatican's wealth and that Goldman leaders claim to do "God's work", well, need I connect more dots between what are essentially less than 2 dozen corporate personages playing this game? Goldman Sachs has the answers, and this ties back to Princeton Alum Martin Armstrong mentioned a few pages back, who is a primary enemy of Goldman and of course, held in jail at this time.

As to your second response which I quoted above, yes, I hear you, everyone knows that if you money is "in the cayman islands" then you are of that class who is rich enough to avoid the IRS. I've never been in that class, nor do I really respect them, frankly.

However what is truly interesting, is this link from Feb 13th 2009 Guardian:

www.guardian.co.uk...



The legal action drew the attention of the US Internal Revenue Service, who contacted Elmer. He is co-operating with the IRS, and with financial specialists in the office of Robert Morgenthau, the district attorney of New York; and with the powerful sub-committee on investigations chaired by Senator Carl Levin, which has a track record of probing offshore havens.

Elmer's disclosures follow the emergence of similar whistleblowers. One recently testified in the United States against the Swiss bank UBS, and another sold British and European authorities the contents of computer files from Liechtenstein bank LGT.

Elmer says his interest is in the network of tax havens. "People don't know how the system works. They may hear of some case, but the big picture always disappears into bank secrecy, professional secrecy with lawyers and accountants, and tax secrecy. But they need to know that this is a system which undermines our society, our democracy." He has lodged copies of files with Jack Blum, a veteran lawyer in Washington DC and an outspoken critic of the behaviour of tax havens.

Blum told the Guardian: "What Elmer is doing is extremely valuable in the process of educating people of the need for major reform. This is a system for enabling a certain class of people to avoid their societal duty, which is to pay tax."


Haha, it is interesting above, that a lawyer named Blum, is yakking about people's societal duty to pay tax. Lawyers always pretend to be the dumbest people in the world. As if he doesn't know that taxes are the anvil against which the hammer operates.

As I have explained through the easily available great works of other actual researchers whose work I refer to, The Post WW2 era allowed the US to partner with not just Nazis but also Mafiosa. But in the final analysis, it is the tax man, the IRS, who will be used to be the anvil.

Let us ask some simple question of Mr. Blum and any and all attorneys or "law knowers" who may have the balls to chime in on this thread:

1: How did the UN come about?
2: Who funded it, and based on what previous global massacre, was it funded?
3: What family names took over Germany and Italy, after WW2, the largest human sacrifice in history?

I am not sure lawyers even have the mental teeth to chew what truths are being laid down here. Step up boys and girls, this microphone is open if you've got somthin to say.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
zero hedge


I think it would be good to examine the zerohedge locked thread posted by you, burntheships. Much good chatter there, of course threads get locked, nowhere are the IP plebes allowed to have long term tracking of the game. Well, except here at the greatest conspiracy forum evar, ATS! Thanks ATS!

All comments quoted from ZH are copyright the original composers of course, or owned by the domain, or half and half, whatever. Anyway, this exchange is good, between tax-paying debunker "Spalding_Smailes" who says obey the IRS, don't believe the gold-hype, and gold bug user "Hephasteus" who essentially shuts him up.

Let's examine the discussion from 1/16 of this year, shall we?



Spalding_Smailes

ZZZZZzzzzzzzz ... ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz ... whaaaaa mmmmm what ?

Oh... , gold will be down over the next few year, maybe up again 2018-20. Read up on some Jim Rogers he will help you with this question, I'm not a 40 year commodity guru like Rogers.

....... "Gold is “overdue for a rest” and probably will fall after a decade of gains that sent prices to a record, said Jim Rogers, the chairman of Rogers Holdings who predicted the start of the global commodities rally in 1999.

While gold “may go down for awhile,” the metal is “going to go over $2,000 in this decade,” Rogers, who owns gold, silver and rice, said today during a presentation to business executives in Chicago. Gold touched a record $1,432.50 an ounce in New York on Dec. 7. The price closed today at $1,387. " ..................


So here Spalding_Smailes is saying gold bugs are scamming their people. He does explain a scam where goldbug dealers are telling the buyers that gold coin transferred to an IRA can avoid taxation. However, he finds feedback from this next user, "Hephasteus" ..Perhaps Sp.Smailes is trolling for the Fed? Hephasteus seems to be implying that and the interchange seems to describer that:



Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Hephasteus

Oh. You got Jim Rogers to fold. He's like our shepard and we'll follow him. You have no idea what your fighting and you will beat the bush expecting the leaves to fall out and nothing will happen.

www.youtube.com...

So what is it Mr. Smells. What's the price that turns chinese students laughing at geihtner into chinese special forces stabbing the [CENSORED] out you. What were the terms of agreement for handing over the throne. What is the listed price of the handover. And what constitutes a violation of the agreement between the "gentlemen". Or shoud we just keep gold bugging you until something [CENSORED] snaps.


Now here Hephasteus is making the right point: China gets screwed and they're expected to take it. That's the big lie. Geithner is of the same cloth as Jacob Schiff and Warburg who started the Fed madness and gold theft in the USA. Let's see the predictable response:



Sun, 01/16/2011 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes

Everyone is on the same page. Henry made sure of this many moon's ago.' Don't fight the tape. Ever.

www.guardian.co.uk...

The chances of a military strike against Iran this year are receding because of the success of a joint Israeli-US cyberattack on the country's nuclear facilities, according to officials and analysts with knowledge of the clandestine operation.

The New York Times reported today that Israel, with US help, had set up a model of the Iranian nuclear process at Dimona, the Israeli nuclear arms development centre in the Negev desert, to test a sophisticated destructive programme.

A computer worm, Stuxnet, was known last year to have been inserted into the Iranian nuclear operation and Iran admitted its programme had been delayed. [...snipped...]



Sun, 01/16/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Hephasteus

Is it made with the finest in microsoft and intel products. Becasue we all know they aren't [CENSORED] ups.

Don't you ever get the feeling you need 100 million gallons of fear juice and all you got is one [CENSORED] slurpee. You stupid [CENSORED] ups.


And so then the thread at ZH got locked.

Anyway, this exchange proves the battle lines of gold versus fiat money. Each side has it scammers and thieves. Which one has more of a Christian spirit? That's not really an easy question to answer since Jesus had no interest in either gold or fiat Romanic funding schemes. But try saying Jesus was a commie, and some people will get [CENSORED] all riled up! I for one say that Jesus would hate Marx and Goldfinger equally, and also would love each of them equally.



posted on Dec, 10 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Further update!

Notorious spying billionaire multi-corporate Foxy-Rupee Murdoch has decided the IP plebes must go!

And under what pretense does he make his move?

Why, against PIRATES of course! Thar be Piracy in These International Watahs! [INSERT JESUIT SKULL AND CROSSBONES HERE]



www.bbc.co.uk...

WASHINGTON -- News Corp. honcho Rupert Murdoch threw his weight behind Congress' attempt to restrict the Internet, personally lobbying leaders on Capitol Hill Wednesday for two measures that purport to combat piracy.

Murdoch's media empire is among some 350 large corporations that have come out in favor of the Stop Online Piracy Act in the House, as well as the Protect IP Act in the Senate.

[...]


Now can you wonder out loud, and on your keyboard as to why they would want a "Stop [...] IP Act"?

IP plebiscite: Coming fast.
edit on 10-12-2011 by smallpeeps because: hmmm






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