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Governator threatens to shut down state government

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posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:26 AM
I like California. Beautiful place, go there all the time. But really, did they think they could get away with spending so much for so long without actually brining in any revenue? I was in Sacramento a few months ago and it was like a ghost town. Construction just seemed to have started, then stopped all over the place. They must have known this was coming for more than just the last few months. My suggestion, get rid of the orange border. How much does that cost to ask everyone who comes in and out if they have fruits and vegetables in their car? To many silly programs... Not enough taxpayers.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 07:37 AM
I am a Republican and I think Arnold sucks!Why don't they cut stupid b.s.spending and still keep critical infrastructure in place?The people of California pay alot of taxes but this moron can do nothing to save there state but demand more money and more out of control spending.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 09:47 AM
Shut the Government down! Then maybe the lazy turds living off welfare will be forced to go work. Maybe some poeple who rely on the Government will learn how to rely on themselves and be a part of the community to help each other out. Would be a hard lesson but a good one. What else is needed from the state really other than the police and fire departments? Even most of those are handled at the municipal level. The state provides very little services other than welfare type services. Which they need to get rid of anyway. Everything else can be handled by the municipalities.

Seriously though, does anyone doubt that the Federal Government will bail em out?

It's all a game right now... to make it look like a 'tough decision.'

90 percent sure D.C. bails out Sacramento. If it doesn't happen then good.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 09:58 AM
reply to post by jd140

Hi JD140,

California is a "very prosperous state" and it is not unlike any other state in the USA.

California is also a very big state that is beautiful to experience.

Arnold is taking care of a lot more than what many of you are aware of, and here is proof of how important California is.

Look at that chart.... WOW.....

California is ranked as being #8 in the Top World Economies, #8 all by itself.

Texas isn't even ranked on this chart, to give you a comparison.

California's economy is basically a little less than one sixth of the total entire USA's economy. One sixth!!!!!!

If California goes down, then the other 5/6th of the USA will surely crumble in a very short time.

So.... don't go around and say that California is not important!!!! California is very important and all of its people that live there are very important.

There are only 6 foreign governments in the entire world that rank above California's economy, all the rest of the countries of the world fall below California's economy.

So.... give Arnold some slack people, he is running an economic machine that is 1/6th of America's economy.

It would only be fair to say that California should be distributed about 1/6th of the budget that goes to all of the states, but California doesn't get that.

California is a wonderful state and it is very important to the USA economy and for the Obama Administration to let it go down the crapper and not help out, is a real crime.

Obviously there are other objectives behind the Obama Administration for not helping out California, objectives that we are unaware of, but I'm sure the NWO has something to do with it.

So... don't belittle California or Arnold.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 10:00 AM
I think it would be a good thing if things do shut down for awhile. Maybe people will wake up and try to fix the system.

I am not too worried about anything. Most of my neighbors fly American and POW/MIA flags. We will look out for each other.

I think that if more of the state politicians took a paycut, I would feel a little better about their ineptness.

If you are around Sacramento and things get too bad, contact me. I will point you to safety.

[edit on 11-6-2009 by tamusan]

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 10:08 AM
reply to post by RussianScientists

No state recieves their 'fair share' of the US budget. However it is no one but California's fault for mishandling their budget. They suck the workers dry there in taxes and still can't seem to afford their massive spending. That means they need to get their s* together. California will not collapse if their state Government shuts down.

Hell the country might be much more prosperous as a whole if the residents in California actually increased their spending power by 10 percent of their already ludicrous salaries to pay for the extremely high cost of living by not having to pay state income taxes.

The point is California created their own problems via the mishandling of their budgets, there is no reason what so ever I should have to pay for their mistakes. Just like I should not have to pay for AIG, Citibank, GM, of any of these other failed enterprises. Let them fall on their face and get their act together.

If I can balance my budget they should be able to balance theirs. VERY simple concept, you don't spend what you don't have.

[edit on 11-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 10:19 AM
Let us not forget the words he once spoke...

1. I'll be back ! he got re-elected.

2. Asta la Vista, baby... that means no more handouts and goodies.

They call him the Terminator, so if he shust down the gevernment, well... no loss. All the illegals will go home, and possibly people there will take on some jobs to pay for all the things they now get for free. Good.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 10:39 AM
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar

Hi Anonymous Avatar,

I like your thinking when you state that governments shouldn't spend money that they don't have, that is very important.

None the less, California is still a very important state, just like your state of Texas.

There are a lot of states that get more than their share of the budget Anonymous Avatar, let California get its respectable 1/6th of the USA budget and then the other states that are over their limit of their share of the USA budget would be in a much worse circumstance than California.

Yes, all of the states and federal governments are just getting too big. They need to be cut back considerably and that will come about soon when the economy of the world goes down the crapper.

To let California go down the crapper will be the beginning of the second Depression of the USA and the world economies will collapse soon afterwards. I myself am not looking forward to that situation because we all know what will follow.

Millions of our own people will starve to death, and millions will be killed or imprisoned to be killed later. Civil war within our country will start up because people like you and me and many of the other ATSers are tired of too much government and too many laws. We are tired of watching politicians wreck our wonderful country and get paid big dollars while they do nothing but run their mouths and our economy down the crapper with new laws and over spending.

I for one know that we can take back our country, but I also know that we don't have to do it the hard way. I would rather do it in a peaceful manner, but it looks like the NWO doesn't want that many people around.

The entire American economy could've turned around in a heartbeat and it still can in the future if we voice our opinions. I like it that you have voiced your opinions because the basics are there in your statements, overspending has to be stopped, but lets do it so that no one has to die from starvation.

If California goes under, then troops will be sent there from other states, and people that will be stressed out will be forced to do things that they normally wouldn't do, and that will be to do anything they can in order to make sure their family survives.

California is very important, and Peace and the Right to Pursue Happiness is very important.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 10:51 AM
reply to post by RussianScientists

No doubt California is important. However that does not mean the world much less our economy would end if the California state Government shuts down or even better if forced to get it together and cut back spending tremendously. No one is too big to fail, not GM, not AIG, not California. Would it be painful? Of course but much better then the current long term pain we face via continuous over spending supported by massive inflation.

Besides if you read the Article.. Arnold is simply asked legislature to come up with a budget solution asap. He is telling them not to keep spending the way it does via taking a loan from a bank. That means budget cuts. It is pretty telling when the state Government would rather take a high interest loan from a bank than to cut back spending.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vowed Wednesday to let California government come to a "grinding halt" rather than agree to a high-interest loan to keep the state afloat if he and the Legislature do not close the yawning budget gap in coming weeks

Don't think for a second that if they get Federal dollars that it won't come with stipulations either. The Federal Govt already bullies the states and that will just put the Fed in an even more powerful strong arm position.

There is a VERY easy answer here... make some budget cuts. California does not need to be bailed out not does it need to shut down. All it has to do is stop spending money it does not have!

[edit on 11-6-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 11:15 AM
Oh yeah, and I can already hear the complaining if California did collapse and people took the advice in this thread and 'moved away'. Wait until millions of people come to YOUR state, taking your jobs, using your state funds for unemployment and welfare, because "let California Burn!" was such a wise decision.

I agree, it's a nasty, nasty situation this country has gotten itself in. But we all did it together. We bought what they sold us. When they told us, "BUY BUY BUY" - we did, even long after we couldn't afford it, long after they figured out a million tricksey ways to keep us buying with no money to speak of.

Because that's what's been driving our economy, this fake BOOM built on nothing but air.

And you, and you and you, we all did it. From the housewife to the CEOs of huge corporations. We came to believe that it was a part of the American Way, as consumption was tied into our notions of capitalism and to go against that was deemed unpatriotic.

But even so, most years California had a surplus budget. You can hardly call that 'overspending'.

However, the trouble comes because REVENUE isn't coming in, due to the economy faltering with this financial crisis going on.

So how does that make California irresponsible anymore than say, we as a whole have been? Why do they deserve to 'burn' and not the rest of us?

California's troubles are a sign of the times, a sign of the sickness that is everywhere waiting to burble up and take us all. Our economy is screwed and limping along, two meals from revolution. But we're buying the happy face and instead crying because we're spending all this money we don't have and thinking that it's some conspiracy to line certain demographic's pockets instead the symbol that it really is, a sign of the dire straits we're in, the desperation of a failing system.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 11:25 AM
reply to post by Jadette

Again, all they have to do is cut back spending. What's the big f*'n deal? What is so hard to grasp here? They don't have to collapse, take a bailout, take a loan, or stop the government, all they have to do is cut back spending...

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 11:44 AM
He is right -

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 11:50 AM
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar

I never claimed that trying to find budgetary concessions wasn't a valid way to address this. Though the Governor's 'threats' to cut this or that, are merely that, political manueverings to turn the heat up to get what he wants - federal monies.

I also have no idea of the actual budget of california. What are they 'overspending' on? It's easy for us to say, "Don't spend so much", but you take the money away, and someone always suffers. Taking something away is always harder than never having given it in the first place. And, to top it off, it compounds the problems too, as it cuts programs and contributes to job losses.

And I agree, california has a problem with spending monies on illegal immigrants. I'm not sure I have an answer for how to handle it, since I think there's a lot more to deal with than simply 'don't let them have it'.

It's also not the solution to California's budgetary problem either. It's only a small percentage of the deficit California is dealing with. Even if they cut welfare like was suggested, welfare is 5% of their total budget, that's all.

Personally, I'd suggest that they cut everything, an equal percentage, and make all programs share the burden.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 12:08 PM
wow ......i never realized just HOW LARGE CALI's economy is....

all by themselves they are the 8 largest economy in the world! SH*T

they make up about 13% of the USA'S GDP

but someone should till those people in cali to watch the stock market it's up= everythng is green shoots lol

is arnie negotiating for a lower intrest rate on that state loan or is he not just calling someone's bluff

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 12:24 PM
From Wiki:

The economy of Texas is one of the largest growing economies in the United States. In 2006, Texas was home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 56 overall, more than any other state. [1] Texas has an economy that was the second largest in the nation and the 15th largest in the world based on GDP (nominal) figures. As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently grosses more than $100 billion a year in trade with other nations.

In 2008, Texas had a gross state product of $1.245 trillion,[2] the second highest in the U.S.[3] The Gross state product per capita as of 2005 was $42,975.

Texas had the second largest workforce in the United States,[4] with almost 11 million civilian workers. The lack of personal income tax as well as the largely undervalued real estate throughout Texas has led to large growth in population. Since the 2003 legislature the Governor's office has made economic development a top priority.

Much economic activity in Texas is regional. For example, the timber industry is important in East Texas's economy but a non-factor elsewhere. Houston, the state's largest urban economic enclave stands at the center of the petrochemical, biomedical research trades, shipping, and aerospace (particularly NASA). Dallas/Fort Worth houses the state's predominant defense manufacturing interests and the expansive information technology labor market. West Texas and the panhandle is dominated by ranching and the petroleum industry.

Texas's growth can be attributed to the availability of jobs, the low cost of housing, the lack of a personal state income tax, the quality of higher education, low taxation and limited regulation of business, a central geographic location, a limited government, favorable weather, and plentiful supplies of oil and natural gas. There are currently 35 billionaires residing in Texas today. Dallas has 27 billionaires, the most of any city in Texas.

Texas has the highest number of Fortune 500 company headquarters in the United States, fifty-eight.[5] This has been attributed to both the growth in population in Texas and the rise of oil prices in 2005. Houston has the second highest number of Fortune 500 companies in the US, second to New York.

The USA can stand to let CA sink. If TX goes, the USA is in trouble.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 02:14 PM
My road map to getting California back on its feet:

1. Cut everyone who hasn't paid into the system off the tax payer's teat. This does not mean cutting unemployment relief, medicare, medicaid, social security, or even food assistance from people PROVIDED THAT the recipients have a history of having worked and paid their taxes into the system. Anyone who has gone straight from high school onto the government dole, straight across the border from TJ and onto the government dole, or has spent the past 10 years with their feet propped up and their hand out for that money should be cut off immediately.

2. Recognize that the time has now come for a return to the traditional school format. This means teachers actually will have to start teaching, some school subjects like math and the sciences will continue to use textbooks which were written some years ago (which are filled with the same quality of educational information as books still sporting wet ink off the presses... it baffles me how anyone can consider a 10 year old algebra text to be "outdated" when the basic principles of mathematics at the k-12 schooling level DO NOT CHANGE). This also means that we go back to the 80's and prior when a cheese sandwhich, fresh apple, and a small carton of milk were the standard lunch, not some sort of "punishment" given in lieu of the fancier state sponsored lunch to kids who's parents have failed to pay their kid's lunch bill.

3. Stop basing ridiculous and costly environmental laws on pseudo science and half assed wild assumptions made by political agenda driven "scientists." California could easily bridge their budget gap if they'd simply abandon their ultra leftist enviornmental policy agendas. I'm not suggesting they should completely eradicate environmental laws altogether, but for the love of God why would any normal thinking individual support completely neutering and handcuffing your industries with the shackles of the nation's strictest environmental policies? Free your industries from the prisons Al Gore Disease and the money (and jobs) will quickly follow!

4. Pass a tax break/increase on Hollywood and the entertainment industry based on a "Buy California" law. This means all entertainment, from movies to TV to music to the porn industry. First, tax the entertainment industry at the rate you tax the rest of your industries at (or, better yet, lower the industry rates down to be in line with the powder puff taxation of Hollywood). Then tell the whole lot of them that they can recieve tax breaks if they keep their business in the state of California. This would effectively break the entertainment unions, but it would also ensure that the money made from major films and other forms of electronic entertainment stayed in the state of California. That means alot of money entering the state from around the world... as it does now, but instead of this money "just passing through" it would actually stay there for awhile and boost not only the state economy, but also the overall state tax intake, as more Californians got their hands on it.

5. Pass a government "stalemate" law that effectively prevents the continuous deadlocking of their government that happens annually between the legislature and governor's office. This is the one step in this process which I'm really not sure about just how they could go about doing. Obviously they need something which forces all of the representatives to actually work together and compromise with each other in a timely fashion. If anyone has any ideas on how to do this, I'm all ears.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 02:30 PM
This might be a stupid question but why can't they be like Florida with no state tax?

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 02:32 PM
reply to post by debz325

Because of the over abundance of social programs . . . then add to that that most a whole bunch, if not most of the people on the social programs are illegal . . .

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 06:55 PM
reply to post by xxpigxx

Texas may be ranked #15 in the world in GDP (gross domestic product) but California is still #8 in the world, and produces 1/3 more GDP than Texas.

If Texas didn't have the oil, Texas would be way, way, way down at the bottom of the ranking in the world GDP.

We need California to stay afloat. Yes, California is 24 Billion dollars in the crapper, and yes they need to start cutting back big time on spending, but we still need to realize that California is huge in the product that comes out of that state, and it isn't running out through some pipeline, most of it is done by actual labor.

I hope Arnold cuts, and cuts, and cuts programs that aren't worth squat. But he is running a machine that is incredible in intake and out take of money and goods. He needs to just tell the state employees that they all are going to take a 10 percent cut across the board next year.

Keep up the good work my friends.

posted on Jun, 11 2009 @ 08:19 PM
Today, I noticed something that seemed a little strange to me. I do not live in the U.S. all year anymore, so maybe this has become the norm without me noticing it.

Let me try to explain and maybe others can let me know if they are seeing something like this in their areas.

I woke up this morning and noticed at least a dozen emergency vehicles riding by with lights/sirens and I payed no attention. About an hour later, I drove my wife somewhere and about a dozen emergency vehicles went by again. As I was returning to my house, it happened again. About an hour later, I was walking to the store and there they were again a couple more times. I went a little later and picked my wife up and again there were emergency vehicles. When I returned to my neighborhood, we stopped at a nearby diner and had an early dinner. While we were there, the emergency vehicles made a pass 3 more times.

To me it seems that they were driving around in a large loop. I live on the river, in an area called the Pocket. Basically you could make a "D" shape with Pocket Rd. and Florin Rd. The "D" would cover about 10 miles if one stayed to these 2 roads. The emergency vehicles were riding around this "D" at their normal emergency speed with lights/sirens going.

So, what's up? During a time that California is very low on cash, why so much waste of resources? I do not think it is normal. I have never seen anything like this.

Makes me wonder if they are preparing for something.

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