Convincing someone to have faith is an impossible task. Those who do not have it or understand it seek to belittle it and are afraid of it. I too used to hold the view that the Bible was fiction and nothing more than a masterfull tool of the Church used to control the people.

However, once one takes the time to study the Bible and the mind boggling interconnected nature of items over spans of hundreds and hundreds of years it becomes harder to refute. Part of the problem lies in a comfort that we have with technology today, it's easy to forget just how primative things were back then, which makes the writing all the more evident as being the divinely given.

To the people who have professed fear at some of these Christian views, comparing the people who hold them as being akin to terrorists. Fear not. We know that there is a plan, and harsh actions such as what a terrorist would do are not part of it.

Our part is to repent and brings others to accepting that Jesus Christ is the son of God, who gave his sinless, and faultless life to pay the debt of man's original sin to God. There are many ways to bring this message to people, it doesn't have to be extreme, it doesn't need to be a caricature of what you might expect a street preacher to be.

More than any of the speculations about who the antichrist is, etc. is the fact that Israel regained control of Jerusalem which was the one piece not yet in place after the the state of Israel was created. These are two huge portents that should raise concern for any end times understanding.

Originally posted by open_eyeballs
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To those christians in contemplation of such events...

just to throw in there, every generation since the last 2000 years have believed and predicted the anti-christ and the subsequent return of "Jesus Christ"" will return in their lifetime..fortunately for the world their has been a 100% failure in every one of those predictions... . . .

One big difference, though. None of them have ever had most, if not all of the pieces of the puzzle in play, as we do now.

Interesting points brought up OP , I will follow this thread for developments...


Personally I find the whole numerology game to be a little too interpretive as it is easy to fall into preconceived ideas when you stumble across data that seems to fit into your notion of what you hold to be evident.

However, and I may be falling subject to what I am warning against, but I did find it strange that it was not posted here that Barack Obama was elected into a National position of power with a term set to begin in 2005 as Senator. Before this time he was relatively unknown and then became a grandiose figure of public admiration, much like the traits described of the end days. Now there is all the hype about 2012 and the end of everything... Simple math, 2012-2005= what's that?


7 years...


With all the emphasis placed on the number 7 by the OP in a Biblical sense toward the revealing of the Anti-Christ I found this detail to be if nothing else intriguing. I'm not hinting that this is the case just merely a coincidence.

My apologies if this has been a topic of debate/discussion in the past as I was unable to find any clear correlation made on either ATS or an excerpt on Google Search.

Originally posted by nowshining
actually the antichrist and beast are TWO diff. things.. Antichrist is the Devil and His followers, the workings, etc.., and the BEAST is AGAIN a KINGDOM, NOT A PERSON.....

I can tell you RIGHT NOW-that you are deceived.... If you are looking for anyone in the political office, in gov. right now for THIS Ruler - u will NOT find Him...

[edit on 11-6-2009 by nowshining]

you say this as if this is the truth?? what?? you are argueing about the description of mythical beings??? i mean really?? are you kidding?? i have as much credibility as saying the beast is a bunny rabbit and the devil is a butterfly.!!

[edit on 11-6-2009 by jimmyx]

Not to mention that the bible and any other "scripture" was written by MAN....and is only a lie designed to control sheeple like you guys....but this whole thread is nothing but Obama hate mongering/threatening...
hence im reporting this thread to the FBI

EXCELLENT!!! Thank you so much for the post. I have been praying for an answer as to how the Rothschilds, Israel, Britain and the US fit into the Antichrist and Revelation... That is because he will come from this LINE of DESCENDANTS.. Seeing that The Rothschild's are from Germany and own 80% of Israel. MAKES COMPLETE SENSE NOW!!
Thank you for answering my prayers.