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reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:38 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Unbelievable!!
This is outrageous, dangerous and totally unacceptable. What does Obama think he is doing? Since when does the U.S. Constitution apply to foreigners in another country who are attacking our troops?

Another nail in the Obama coffin. His extreme leftist liberal policies are going to be his downfall. People did not vote for this garbage.

This is just another lie and flip-flop by our President because back in March Obama said, 'Now, do these folks deserve Miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.'

www.weeklystandard.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 6/10/2009 by WhatTheory]


Here is my problem with this. I think that giving them rights is okay. Why? Because we are labeling them as terrorists. That is the problem right there. By doing that they have the right to show that they aren't. Just because we say they are doesn't make it so. This has been proven over and over with our illegal prisoning of some innocent people over the years with ZERO retribution.

It's time for the right to drop this war on terror. It's time for them to simply label Al Qaieda as an enemy combatant and that's it. We are at war with them not the 'terrorists'.

Because until they do that these people SHOULD have a right to defend themselves against the claims. Especially with our history of holding innocents for nearly a decade without hardly ANY proof.

An enemy combatant has only the Geneva Convention rights (don't tell me a terrorist can be named as such because calling it a war on terror doesn't make it so, there is no government to go to war with, just a group and THAT is what is wrong with the rights view of this war).

So I must agree with this decision.

It's time to drop this charade of an endless war against a faceless enemy that will always be there. The PTB will simply keep changing the names of the groups to continue funding their buddies in the MIC.


reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:43 PM by miasria
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Another point: This is just another LIE and flip-flop by Obama because previously Obama himself said these people don't deserve miranda rights. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

For your enjoyment:



good video theory.

intersting, this statement comes "after" the failure to release those horrible abu greib photos and videos.

maybe obama knew more than he was saying. to me it would be apparent that we as a country committed horrible acts against citizens that we denied rights to and accused of being "terrorists."

something to think about.


reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:45 PM by MOFreemason
Originally posted by miasria
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Another point: This is just another LIE and flip-flop by Obama because previously Obama himself said these people don't deserve miranda rights. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

For your enjoyment:



good video theory.

intersting, this statement comes "after" the failure to release those horrible abu greib photos and videos.

maybe obama knew more than he was saying. to me it would be apparent that we as a country committed horrible acts against citizens that we denied rights to and accused of being "terrorists."

something to think about.


I hadn't considered that earlier.

President Obama is a constitutional law expert. You may be on to something here that has been overlooked throughout our discussion.


reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 04:03 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by dariousg
Here is my problem with this. I think that giving them rights is okay. Why? Because we are labeling them as terrorists. That is the problem right there.

It does NOT matter what label you put on them. The point is that miranda rights are for U.S. citizens only. If they are not U.S. citizens then they don't get the priviledge of miranda rights regardless of whether you call them terrorists, enemy combatents or goat herders.


Actually, that point is well made. Not miranda right. They do not deserve that. However, they do deserve SOME rights. Rights that were taken from many innocent people that received ZERO compensation for their stay in our prisons other than torture and pretty decent healthcare.

So, they do deserve the right to be represented. Because there is a VERY significant difference between terrorist and combatant. Until you accept that you are simply stalling the progression of this discussion. You are asking others to see your points, which I actually do see, but you refuse to give ANY ground on the differences listed above. It is indeed very important because labeling someone something and then giving that as the reason to hold them without representation is very important.

An enemy combatant that you are at war with (a government, not a group) is VERY different than a group or individual that you call a terrorist. It's like O'Reilly on the kick that the muslim who killed the army recruiter is a terrorist. He is not. He is a murderer. Period.

So we must define the line. I agree now, no miranda rights because that IS for American citizens. However, they deserve representation. Period. For the reasons above.


reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 04:21 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
So, if they are not U.S. citizens, and we are not at war, they shouldnt be held by america, under american law. It's that simple. You can't have it both ways.

Seems you want to turn your back on this.

Your point is moot because we are at war. However, using your flawed logic we should just let them go even though they are fighting and killing U.S. and allied soldiers. That is just strange.


Way to keep up.

We are not in a declared war. Meaning all that are being detained are being detained illegally. Meaning the miranda rights is really the moot point, because their detainment is illegal.

Get it yet?

Also, they are fighting on their own soil. You really think that defending THEIR HOME is a terrorist act? I'd say the occupying force is the terrorist, not the other way around.

But again, we are going ignore that, arent we?

As for your silly trolling statements, I will put it like this:
You are attacking the messenger, not the topic. This is trolling. The evidence is right above this thread. You talk about "your flawed logic". You make it personal, instead of debating as an intelligent person does. That, friend, is the definition of a troll.

Heck, you attacked the very first person in this thread that said anything from even a slight liberal POV.

You tried to bait me by calling me a liberal.

Trolling, friend. And not even a good attempt at it.

[edit on 6/11/2009 by cautiouslypessimistic]
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