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Topic started on 10-6-2009 @ 02:40 PM by WhatTheory
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Miranda Rights for Terrorists
www.weeklystandard.com
 the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention
facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to
law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to
kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers,
who rec (visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 02:40 PM by WhatTheory
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Unbelievable!! 
This is outrageous, dangerous and totally unacceptable. What does Obama think he is doing? Since when does the U.S. Constitution apply to foreigners
in another country who are attacking our troops?
Another nail in the Obama coffin. His extreme leftist liberal policies are going to be his downfall. People did not vote for this garbage.
This is just another lie and flip-flop by our President because back in March Obama said, 'Now, do these folks deserve Miranda rights? Do they
deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.'
www.weeklystandard.com
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 03:12 PM by WhatTheory
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Also, apparently Congress was not briefed about this policy. How is this possible?
Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. “I was a
little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn’t been briefed on it, I didn’t know about it. We’re still trying to
get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative.”
Shouldn't Congress be at least informed on such an important policy change? I don't see how the President could have such power without
Congressional approval.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 03:16 PM by ravenshadow13
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Given the fact that we've wrongfully accused innocent people of being terrorists, and after all this Guantanamo nonsense... I'm going to go ahead as
token liberal to say- this is a good idea.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 03:20 PM by jd140
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 03:21 PM by jam321
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Why Miranda rights?
If this is about ensuring that the enemy combatants are not tortured or abused why not just abide by the laws as set under the Geneva Convention and
other international laws.
If these combatants were not captured in our country, I see no reason as to why they should be read their rights.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:09 PM by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
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i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:10 PM by WhatTheory
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Given the fact that we've wrongfully accused innocent people of being terrorists, and after all this Guantanamo nonsense... I'm going to go ahead as
token liberal to say- this is a good idea.
You are acting like a typical liberal. You react and make decisions based on emotion instead of logic and the law. This is not a good trait. 
What's the point of having a U.S. Constitution for Americans if we are going to apply it to everyone? Might as well rip it up. 
What does miranda rights have to do with Guantanamo and your wrong opinion of having wrongfully accused innocent terrorists? Answer: Nothing!
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:11 PM by WhatTheory
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Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?
Please enlighten us and tell how the terrorists are already guaranteed miranda rights? 
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:20 PM by greeneyedleo
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Given the fact that we've wrongfully accused innocent people of being terrorists, and after all this Guantanamo nonsense... I'm going to go ahead as
token liberal to say- this is a good idea.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
The Miranda rights are protecting American citizen's constitutional rights. Not sure how that would cover a foreign person taken into custody on
foreign land during a "war".
On top of the fact, they are not US citizens protected under the US Constitution.....
Here is a perfect example of why this would not work:
The problem is you take that guy at three in the morning off of a compound right outside of Kabul where he’s building bomb materials to kill US
soldiers, and read him his rights by four, and the Red Cross is saying take the lawyer – you have now created quite a confusion amongst the FBI, the
CIA and the United States military. And confusion is the last thing you want in a combat zone.”
stopsocialism.wordpress.com...
These are not some DUI stops in the wee mornings on New Years Eve. These are people taken into custody on a battlefield - people who are not sitting
around knitting sweaters for their kids. Many times there is no time to stand around asking questions and whether or not they want to contact their
lawyer. And do we really want these people shutting up? They may have information that could save the lives of our soldiers over there.
Sorry, I will never support this. Bad idea! And they are not covered under our Constitution!
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:42 PM by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?
Please enlighten us and tell how the terrorists are already guaranteed miranda rights?
i never said they were guaranteed miranda rights...just basically the things in the miranda rights were guaranteed under the geneva convention
i was under the impression that the suspected terrorists were given attorneys and were aware that things they did or said would/could be used in court
against them?
i dont particularly see how "mirandizing" them gives them more rights than they already were given under the geneva convention. if anything it most
likely guarantees fewer rights. (i have not fully read up on the geneva convention)
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:50 PM by WhatTheory
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Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i never said they were guaranteed miranda rights...just basically the things in the miranda rights were guaranteed under the geneva
convention
First of all, terrorists have no rights under the Geneva Conventions.
Secondly, the point is that the Obama administration is ludicrous because miranda rights are only for U.S. citizens so trying to apply this to
terrorists is frankly bizarre and a sign of mental instability.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:08 PM by mystiq
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Whatever argument there is concerning consitutional issues, there are international laws and rights that all people have, or should. And they should
go way further than this, including the right to medicare, dental, food and shelter. I'm a social democrat, not even liberal, who I consider sitting
on the fence anyway. Obama actually did something good here, must say. And those who think otherwise, shame on you. And get a heart, its needed.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:12 PM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
The Miranda rights are protecting American citizen's constitutional rights. Not sure how that would cover a foreign person taken into custody on
foreign land during a "war".
Well, you captured them and called them criminals. You're holding them prisoner...sorry...your problem now. You wanna change the rules, you gotta
face the music. And if you can't uphold the tenets of justice and common decency...well, then the bad guys won. Enjoy your new world.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:15 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Also, apparently Congress was not briefed about this policy. How is this possible?
[edit on 6/10/2009 by WhatTheory]
Prediction:
Pelosi will be forced to admit she was briefed, but then claim the White House lied to her ...
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:17 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by mystiq
Whatever argument there is concerning consitutional issues, there are international laws and rights that all people have, or should.
The word "should" means they don't have them.
Plain and simple ...
So they can't do anything with these prisoners based on the rights you think they should have.
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:25 PM by mystiq
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Really, since the worlds terrorists are the Bildenburg cartel to begin with and most groups may have sprung into being through their nefarious works,
you create your terrorism by your actions. The words "should" must be replaced by absolute protection for everyone from cruel and unfair treatment,
period! Because if not, not only will you reap the ugliness you export to others, but real decent people, who are determined this renegade negative
world is going to change in every single corner of the globe, will be working to ensure global justice and equality for all citizens. Savvy? Cause
we aint going away, this world is going to be saved!
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:34 PM by mental modulator
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Yup they read them to the guy who just shot the doctor...
I can't believe we have one standard for all people
Unbelievable-
If you were a terrorist I should hope they wouldn't read you your rights either, cause you
would be a terrorist if they knew you were a terrorist. = no rights!!!
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:36 PM by centurion1211
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reply to post by mystiq
*gently removes mystiq's rose-colored glasses for her*
Sorry to have to do that, but perhaps now you can see the world as it really is.
There are still way too many people in the world that would love to kill you for almost any reason, or even no reason to start forming circles,
holding hands and singing "kumbayah".
Someday, maybe. A couple of lives from now ...
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reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 06:38 PM by jerico65
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Originally posted by mystiq
And they should go way further than this, including the right to medicare, dental, food and shelter.
What? You mean my taxes should go to making sure terrorists have straight teeth? Screw that! I wonder how much of these benefits our guys that were
captured were given? They were just tortured, mutilated and then executed.
Originally posted by mystiq
And those who think otherwise, shame on you. And get a heart, its needed.
Nah, I'll save my heart for something else.
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