Also, apparently Congress was not briefed about this policy. How is this possible?

Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. “I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn’t been briefed on it, I didn’t know about it. We’re still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative.”

Shouldn't Congress be at least informed on such an important policy change? I don't see how the President could have such power without Congressional approval.



[edit on 6/10/2009 by WhatTheory]

Given the fact that we've wrongfully accused innocent people of being terrorists, and after all this Guantanamo nonsense... I'm going to go ahead as token liberal to say- this is a good idea.

Why Miranda rights?

If this is about ensuring that the enemy combatants are not tortured or abused why not just abide by the laws as set under the Geneva Convention and other international laws.

If these combatants were not captured in our country, I see no reason as to why they should be read their rights.

i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Given the fact that we've wrongfully accused innocent people of being terrorists, and after all this Guantanamo nonsense... I'm going to go ahead as token liberal to say- this is a good idea.

You are acting like a typical liberal. You react and make decisions based on emotion instead of logic and the law. This is not a good trait.

What's the point of having a U.S. Constitution for Americans if we are going to apply it to everyone? Might as well rip it up.

What does miranda rights have to do with Guantanamo and your wrong opinion of having wrongfully accused innocent terrorists? Answer: Nothing!

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?

Please enlighten us and tell how the terrorists are already guaranteed miranda rights?

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont exactly see why its a big deal. arent they already guaranteed those same rights?

Please enlighten us and tell how the terrorists are already guaranteed miranda rights?

i never said they were guaranteed miranda rights...just basically the things in the miranda rights were guaranteed under the geneva convention

i was under the impression that the suspected terrorists were given attorneys and were aware that things they did or said would/could be used in court against them?

i dont particularly see how "mirandizing" them gives them more rights than they already were given under the geneva convention. if anything it most likely guarantees fewer rights. (i have not fully read up on the geneva convention)

[edit on 10-6-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i never said they were guaranteed miranda rights...just basically the things in the miranda rights were guaranteed under the geneva convention

First of all, terrorists have no rights under the Geneva Conventions.

Secondly, the point is that the Obama administration is ludicrous because miranda rights are only for U.S. citizens so trying to apply this to terrorists is frankly bizarre and a sign of mental instability.

Whatever argument there is concerning consitutional issues, there are international laws and rights that all people have, or should. And they should go way further than this, including the right to medicare, dental, food and shelter. I'm a social democrat, not even liberal, who I consider sitting on the fence anyway. Obama actually did something good here, must say. And those who think otherwise, shame on you. And get a heart, its needed.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
The Miranda rights are protecting American citizen's constitutional rights. Not sure how that would cover a foreign person taken into custody on foreign land during a "war".

Well, you captured them and called them criminals. You're holding them prisoner...sorry...your problem now. You wanna change the rules, you gotta face the music. And if you can't uphold the tenets of justice and common decency...well, then the bad guys won. Enjoy your new world.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Also, apparently Congress was not briefed about this policy. How is this possible?

[edit on 6/10/2009 by WhatTheory]

Prediction:

Pelosi will be forced to admit she was briefed, but then claim the White House lied to her ...

Originally posted by mystiq
Whatever argument there is concerning consitutional issues, there are international laws and rights that all people have, or should.

The word "should" means they don't have them.

Plain and simple ...

So they can't do anything with these prisoners based on the rights you think they should have.

[edit on 6/10/2009 by centurion1211]

Really, since the worlds terrorists are the Bildenburg cartel to begin with and most groups may have sprung into being through their nefarious works, you create your terrorism by your actions. The words "should" must be replaced by absolute protection for everyone from cruel and unfair treatment, period! Because if not, not only will you reap the ugliness you export to others, but real decent people, who are determined this renegade negative world is going to change in every single corner of the globe, will be working to ensure global justice and equality for all citizens. Savvy? Cause we aint going away, this world is going to be saved!

Yup they read them to the guy who just shot the doctor...

I can't believe we have one standard for all people

Unbelievable-

If you were a terrorist I should hope they wouldn't read you your rights either, cause you
would be a terrorist if they knew you were a terrorist. = no rights!!!



[edit on 10-6-2009 by mental modulator]

[edit on 10-6-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by mystiq
And they should go way further than this, including the right to medicare, dental, food and shelter.

What? You mean my taxes should go to making sure terrorists have straight teeth? Screw that! I wonder how much of these benefits our guys that were captured were given? They were just tortured, mutilated and then executed.

Originally posted by mystiq
And those who think otherwise, shame on you. And get a heart, its needed.

Nah, I'll save my heart for something else.