Daniel Fast: My 3-week Vegetarian Experiment - will this affect my body's "vibrational frequency"

reply to post by adrenochrome


Point well taken but I do kindly disagree. This was something I had to consider and there is info on the Nazarene Way site saying the same thing as your point, that milk isnt good for us.

But I just disagree. My grandfather and mother (dads parents) were milk drinkers. Both of them had a good healthy build to their body and lived to be 80.

The way I see it is this, milk is a natural product. Im sure the way milk is produced today is VERY bad for us adding all sorts of junk. I know it is best to not cook it but the masses of milk is cooked. Our bodies do need certain chemicals in order to work right. I think milk and the sun is your source for Vitamin D. Even some of the things that if we get TOO MUCH of them would be bad for us. Without meats and dairies, I believe someone would HAVE to do vitamin drinks or pills...which I dont care to do. ( I could be wrong there, mabey someone can speak up about not eating milk or meat or eggs and not having to take vitamin supplements).


Last I checked meat was 'life' of a creature or animals. So 'liquid meat' seems a little overboard. I notice milk helps my digestion when I have it with a main meal. I think that one glass a day has given my children and I a strong body (no broken bones ever).

But as always, each to their own on what they feel
LV

[edit on 12-6-2009 by LeoVirgo]

This is all very good info IMO.

I am very interested with vibrations and foods and i believe they really do effect alot.

I don't eat pork as i read somewhere that it lowers the vibrations alot (yes i'm that easily persuaded) and tend to lay off red meat where possible.

I just eat alot of fish.

I try to eat as much fresh fruit as poss, and the same with veg, but it doesnt help that i have extremely annoying taste buds. I seem to hate the taste of everything.

I was thinking of starting an ATS research thread on this yesterday actually... Beat me to it.

I was wondering on the effects on lucid dreaming and AP.

I have never APed, but i wanted to see if it could help increase the chance i may.

Great thread,

love&Light

jacob

reply to post by LeoVirgo


i understand what you're saying, and i don't think i wanna stop drinking milk yet either.. but a couple things come to mind - isn't all the Vitamin-D you need daily obtained by getting a whopping 15 minutes of sunlight?? also, don't certain veggies provide all the calcium we need?
calcium in veggies
Vitamin-D from sunlight

sure, milk is good for those that don't eat as healthy and as pure as they should - that seems to be very difficult for most Americans! ...it's so hard to eat healthy in this country, especially when you're on a budget!

milk does contain lots of fat, and that's why i considered it "liquid meat", even before i found that article! it's the only drink in the world that naturally contains fat - whether from cow or coconut!! ...and God knows, America gets enough fat in their diets!

Several recent studies reveal drinking milk is more likely to cause osteoporosis. Far more concern is the fact that "liquid meat" contains hormones and carries diseases. The worst thing about mass produced dairy products is not the disease, but the torture for the cows involved.

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Research reveals that dairy products are a major cause of our population being overweight.

Of course, with all food consumption moderation is necessary.

One 12oz glass of milk contains as much fat as 8 strips of bacon, "liquid meat"

Research for yourself....there is much more to this than I will write.

www.wellness.com...

It is universally accepted, except for those financial groups that have a vested interest in meats, that the consumption of meat over a period of time triggers osteoporosis, arthritis, cardiovascular problems, and even some cancers.

The reason is because of the meat's acidifying effects on the human body, which the body must neutralize by borrowing calcium from the bones, as well as trying to eliminate it through the tissues that surround our articulation, thereby causing undue stress to our cardiovascular functions.

Hence, milk aggravates osteoporosis because the calcium it contains does not benefit your bones. In fact, calcium supplementation is dependent on the relation of phosphorus/calcium in your diet. Many studies have shown that to maintain healthy bones, one must reduce the daily intake of proteins rather than simply increasing your calcium intake. Both actually is better.

In addition, the fat contained in homogenized milk passes through the small intestine villosity and lymphatic passage, without being digested, encouraging the accumulation of fat along the internal walls of our arteries and heart. This in fact, is the beginning of calcification or hardening of the arteries, angina, and eventual heart attacks.

Not only do we artificially boost milk production through hormones in our milk cows, but also feed them antibiotics which in turn is absorbed by consumers or the public at large. In addition, the pasteurization process, which consists of heating the milk to kill bacteria, massively destroys any vitamins and causes the de-naturalization of the amino acids which are indispensable in the construction of our cells.

We can consume milk; but on the condition that it is fresh and raw (non pasteurized), not homogenized, and obtained through biological agricultural means. The milk must be consumed in a reasonable time frame to retain the enzymes, and must never be taken with meat (including fish).

"Milk and Osteoporosis -A Clashing Combination"

The Human Body has no more need for cow's milk than it does for dog's milk, horse's milk, or giraffe's milk."
-Michael Klaper, MD

Think about this for one second. Why do we drink milk at all? It is intended for a baby calf. Do we drink milk because there is real scientific proof that it is good for us, or is it merely the National Dairy Council, a propaganda machine dedicated to selling its product? Let's take a look. Human milk has 5% calories as protein, and human babies double their birth weight in 180 days. The percentage of protein in cow's milk is three times as high, 15%. Calves double their birth weight in only 47 days. Cow's milk has enough fat to turn a 45 pound calf into a 400 pound cow. Milk, or as John McDougall, MD, calls it, "liquid meat," is very high in protein, fat, and cholesterol, yet contains no fiber and is low in carbohydrates. Here is a brief list of the disorders caused by the consumption of cow's milk and dairy by human beings:

Crohn's disease, canker sores, vomiting, colic, stomach cramps, abdominal distention, intestinal obstruction, bloody stools, colitis, mal-absorption, loss of appetite, growth retardation, diarrhea, constipation, painful defecation, irritation of tongue, lips, and mouth. -Respiratory- nasal stuffiness, runny nose, otidis media (inner ear trouble), sinusitis, asthma, pulmonary infiltrates. "Skin- rashes, atopic dermatitis, eczema, seborrhea, hives. Irritability, restlessness, hyperactivity, headache, lethargy, fatigue, allergic-tension fatigue syndrome, muscle pain, mental depression, enuresis (bed wetting) Heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes, abnormal blood clotting, IRON DEFICIENCY ANEMIA, anaphylatic shock and death, sudden infant death syndrome (crib or cot death).

What About Calcium? This will be shocking to you, because it goes against years of conditioning by advertising and Doctors who knew nothing about nutrition. Due to the high protein content of milk, there is a net loss of calcium in the body when consumed. Even studies paid for by the National Dairy Council have shown that the excessive protein in milk lowers blood calcium levels, causing the body to draw on calcium from the bones. All of the propaganda about drinking milk to prevent osteoporosis is completely inaccurate. Milk actually helps cause the condition.

What about Vitamin D? The Dairy Industry has added supplemental Vitamin D to milk, supposedly to protect people from developing rickets. Rickets is a disorder characterized by painful and deformed bones. This disease is common in places where there is limited exposure to sunlight. To begin with, vitamin D is actually NOT a Vitamin because the body can and does synthesize all that it needs. Vitamin D is really a hormone synthesized by the action of SUNLIGHT on plant sterols found in our skin. Our body levels of Vitamin D are only slightly affected by dietary sources such as milk fortified with Vitamin D and Vitamin pills. Because Vitamin D is fat-soluble, this hormone can be stored in our body fat for long periods of time. Therefore, INTERMITTENT EXPOSURE TO SUNLIGHT IS ADEQUATE...our minimum requirement for sunlight is small and easily met by most people in their daily activities.

Bovine Growth Hormone has caused an international uproar from the United Nations, to physicians and even the justice system. Currently the FDA does not allow any company in America to label this hormone or if the milks is free of it. The FDA is in bed with a huge multi-national corporation called Monsanto, who is leading the charge in genetically modified foods while hiding it from the public. Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day? 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own babies -- not humans.

nstarzone.com...

hmmm... i just might quit drinking milk after all...

by the way, i would have bolded all of the external sources that i pasted there, but i thought i might be better to tell you to read every bit of it, because it's all equally worth reading!!!

what do you guys think?

[edit on 12-6-2009 by adrenochrome]

whoops - double post! ...never done that before!! i think i hit "quote" instead of "edit"

sorry!

[edit on 12-6-2009 by adrenochrome]

reply to post by adrenochrome


Wow-thanks for the great info! I will look over it slowly but I still doubt my mind will change.

Another personal observation is that my dad drinks milk and is strong, healthy and has also never broke a bone.

My mother hates milk and has broken her hips (both of them) and has brittle bones.

These are just observations....that come to mind. I also notice children that dont drink milk are small in size. Not all children...but I have took note of this observation.

Our bodies need fat...I doubt that a man or woman that does alot of labor/hard work could do without it totally as well as meat. Mabey one or the other but I get the feeling those that do not eat meat, eggs nor drink milk will need supplements. Again, mabey Im wrong-these are just personal observations. A person would have to eat tons of nuts to receive the right amount of healthy fats to obtain the energy needed for hard work or labor. Now if one lived a monkish life where they could sit around in Zin all day, it would probably work....but being a mother of 3 as well as the children playing hard all day...milk does our bodies good. We are a very fit family, all 3 kids are in the top percentile for their height and age.

Sometimes there is nothing better then a ice cold glass of milk with my dinner. I dont think its wise to exclude fat from the diet totally. If one is eating raw foods low in fats, milk would have its place for sure....but again and always, these are opinions of mine and observations, nothing as a fact.

Great convo!! Thanks again for the info and the thought provoking links!

LV

as far as the meat / egg / milk thing goes..

sure, they're all life, but I think they are no more life then plants are. The only real difference to me is what seems natural. Not to mention all the crap thats pumped into animals these days but we'll say the meat is about as good as it can get... 1. Can we eat it raw? 2. Who showed us how to cook it?

Because raw meat really doesn't sit well in our guts for the most part, and the fact that our body probably only absorbs a fraction of it and passes it all out as waste... is it that natural?

I just think of frequency like this... if something naturally wants to go fast... we'll say... our bodies are like a really fast moving car... when you overload it with cargo its going to need more fuel and you're going to need to speed up to compensate.

I don't over-complicate it and I just kind of think of it mostly from a very left brainish point of view... what food seems the most efficient for this body?

As well.. you could say the vibrations of the animal aren't just carrying "the murder".. if its in captivity, it could be containing prolonged suffering.

Think of it this way man...if you were a cannibal and you saw 2 dead people to choose from.. what you take the fit young, healthy looking dead guy or some frail old lady who looks like a smoker, alcoholic and know has multiple diseases and body problems etc.. ? lol.. kind of a funny analogy... but its like how they say stress "ages" you... I'm with Dr Bruce Lipton on this one, and his studies into how perception/mind affect our biology....our body can either repair/grow, live healthy, or decay.. If I was to eat some guy and I knew he was a miserable person, well that could reach down to a physical level and be representative of a whole pile of body problems.

Its like how they say, don't use a microwave because it heats things by smashing all the cells together and rupturing them, making their nutrients useless if not much harder to get anything from..

Eat something that you just think naturally represents a healthy balance to you. Just observe and make a judgement call. Learn some nutrition/ biology. I'm finding i'm learning quite a bit over time just by wanting to eat healthier.


I drink milk in my coffee, even though I think its strange to drink the BIRTH FORMULA of ANOTHER ANIMAL... I mean wouldn't human milk be more suited for our development? Perhaps we don't possess the knowledge yet to know the depths of that.

And i have read about the some mischievous things being done to milk by the "insert evil group or affiliation".

I just try not to eat something that I think has incurred some sort of suffering (and remember guys.. for you meditators.. your mind-set affects your chakras affects your body).. well even if you don't have first hand experience of that, youtube: Bruce Lipton - Biology of Perception. There's some interesting studies that have been done on that.... so if the target of consumption you feel has somehow been exposed to a situation thats less then benevolent.. well maybe it had a physical effect.

I think if a planet was just so full of pain and suffering that it would just fall apart and crack in half... well look at our planet.. you look at these things from a perspective and this planet IS dieing from a careless human influence, unfortunately, only a few us are controlling that, the rest of us just follow with the technology they give us.

I don't know man. I only care because I'm a pretty serious meditation practitioner dude and pursuing a career to try and to try and gather information / study the metaphysical subjects for my own personal interest and public benefit.

We all have our reasons for everything I guess. Just don't stress out over it, its counter-productive to the goal of maintaining a higher frequency.

by what i understand about the human body,it is solar powered...

thew fruit and vegetable that we eat absorbe the energy from the sun,and the animal that we eat absorbe that enegy from the fruit and vegetabe that they eat...so yes you get more energy fron fruit and vegetable because the animal that eat it use some of it... but still get some energy from meat...

its like comparing beer with vodka...


the consentratation is higher in vegetal form but i thing it is foolish to think that cutting meat will make you feel better"vibration talking"

meat is not that bad to eat...it just ad less energy than meat...that all

This thread is interesting. Several months ago, meat started sounding very unappealing to me. Not sure why, but the taste and texture of it just became unattractive. The exception seems to be fish, especially salmon. It's a 'comfort' food for me. I've had severe IBS type issues for many years (to the point I will black out from the immense pain) and salmon oil, being a natural antispasmotic for the intestines, has been quite a life saver for me. In the past, specialists, thinking I had Crohn's disease, ran several tests only to come up with nothing. Since I couldn't properly digest any foods, I became severely underweight.

I decided to take matters into my own hands and do all the research I could and my run my own food trials. I found out that I will react to fats, caffeine, junk food... basically anything that's not natural and healthy. During my research on 'easy to digest foods' I came across Dr. Perricone's book The Wrinkle Cure and became symptom free after following it. (I had to make a couple small variations like avoiding olive oil).

It's been an added plus to take out the meat (except for fish) and also take pro-biotics, along with easy to digest supplements. (I like the "Alive" whole food supplements by Nature's Way). When I follow a vegetarian, healthy eating diet, I not only put on the proper weight, but I also feel better than ever. Love reading everyone's story here!

reply to post by adrenochrome


Y'know, as a nutrition major and a vegetarian/vegan of some 13 years, I can honestly say that under the right conditions, it's a great lifestyle to try to achieve...however...it's a very personal choice.
Now, I'm no activist, but I recently starting dating a girl who is, and last night she sat me down and showed me the movie 'Earthlings' and honestly, it had a severe impact on me.
Just tossing my two cents in there.

reply to post by Matthew Dark


omg... *shivers* Earthlings is a movie I mentioned in another thread here a while back that was very difficult to watch. It's one of those things you wish you didn't see, but is necessary at the same time. (The image of the fox being skinned, and his big eyes looking up at you, will forever be etched in my mind). It's available on the internet just by googling it.... but for people who are the sensitive type, know that it's disturbing to sit through.

Originally posted by CavemanDD
I just try not to eat something that I think has incurred some sort of suffering (and remember guys.. for you meditators.. your mind-set affects your chakras affects your body)..

exactly what i'm thinking... it really seems to be all in the mind-set that you go into it with!

i mean, if you feel that something's a certain way, then whether it's really true or not doesn't make a difference; if you personally feel something is true, then it is true to you, and your mind and body will react accordingly. ...even though what you felt was true, might be false...

thought is a very powerful, underrated thing...


.......and i haven't seen "Earthlings" yet, and i don't think i want to right before bed!

It actually destroys your vibrational frequency. new evidence suggests plant life can feel and experience pain. So your mouth is basically a torture chamber wreaking pain on a living being. Could cause depression long term with ingesting items with dying and pained vibrations.

I'm on the fence when it comes to spiritual vibrations, but none the less I decided to start this diet today. Don't know how well it's gonna work since I'm so skinny though...But I've found the hardest thing is finding things to eat when your late for work. It's so much easier to just eat something terrible for you. Maybe I just need to spend some time in my kitchen.

reply to post by contemplator


But it is odd that we require life in order to live? So no matter how much empathy we have for saving all life....it is not possible to do so.

Do you know how, after Thanksgiving Dinner, you are so tired and sleepy and feel so awful that you have to go lie down?

That's how I feel every time I eat.

Just a regular little meal, and I feel tired. A whopper would send me to bed. Now, there is nothing medically wrong with me. It's just my body's little quirk. I'm on the thin side anyway, and have never been a big eater, regardless of how I feel afterwards. I just don't seem to enjoy the actual eating part as much some do, although I do enjoy many things.

A few months ago, I came accross the term "high vibration" food, and that struck a cord with me,because after eating I have generally felt just the opposite. Low, low, low, in every way, physically, mentally, and emotionally. So I decided to explore this "high vibration" food idea.

A quick search revealed, ahh, of course, Fruits and vegetables. Raw if possible. (A food which was mentioned often throughout these web sites was Goji Berries, but I haven't tried those yet). Purchased at health food stores, they are about the size of a raisin, but have a cranberry color. It is thought by many they are on the high end of high vibration foods.

So, I decided to do my own little experiment, and have learned this:

LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. I think the OP has already stated that, but, here it is again. I have been, and it is working for me.

After my trip to the grocery store, I started the next morning by eating a pear. Waited for my food funk to set in, like it would have had I picked up a fast-food biscuit. Didn't happen. But, I was still kinda hungry. So I ate two more pears. (They were very good pears!) And, it changed my mood a little. I felt light, in spirit, and mood.

Next morning, I tried apples. Felt fine, but not as good as I did with the pears, in terms of my mood, etc. This is why I say listen to your body.
Actively, consciously, notice how you feel after you eat something.

So we have: Pears --- good. Whoppers:--- bad.

Just joking. But my high frequency vegetable is yams. Here we call them sweet potatos. They make me feel good. Alive. Light.

One day I was trapped in a car with some colleagues on a trip to another town. I had had my a.m. pears, and I was FINE. They pull into a fast food restaurant, to pick up a quick lunch through the drive thru, so we could be on our way. I succumbed with a cheeseburger. Immediately felt terrible. Later, thought I could "make up" for the cheeseburger by eating some grapes. Wrong. Low vibration food overrides high.

I too, have experienced the dilemma over taking life to sustain myself.
Yes, plants and fish are alive, too. No way around it.

There is a book some of you might have, entitled THE PROPHET, by Kahlil Gibran. This was very popular back in the hippie era.

The people, ask the prophet to tell them of different things, such as "tell us of joy and sorrow" ," tell us of good and evil," and so forth. He responds beautifully with much wisdom.

They ask him to "speak to us of eating and drinking". Here is his response:


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Then an old man, a keeper of an inn, said, Speak to us of Eating and Drinking.

And he said:

Would that you could live on the fragrance of the earth, and like an air plant be sustained by the light.

But since you must kill to eat, and rob the newly born of its mother's milk to quench your thirst, let it then be an act of worship.
Let your board stand an altar on which the pure and the innocent of forest and plain are sacrificed for that which is purer and still more innocent in man.

When you kill a beast say to him in your heart, "by the same power that slays you, I too am slain; and I too shall be consumed. For the law that delivered you into my hand shall deliver me into a mightier hand.
Your blood and my blood is naught but the sap that feeds the tree of heaven."

And when you crush an apple with your teeth, say to it in your heart,
"Your seeds shall live in my body, and the buds of your tomorrow shall blossom in my heart, And your fragrance shall be my breath, and together we shall rejoice through all the seasons."

And in the autumn, when you gather the grapes of your vineyards for the winepress, say in your heart, "I too am a vineyard, and my fruit shall be gathered for the winepress, And like new wine I shall be kept in eternal vessels."

And in winter, when you draw the wine, let there be in your heart a song for each cup; And let there be in the song a remembrance for the autumn days, and for the vineyard, and for the winepress."
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So, for my part to this message:
Your body will tell you what your high vibration foods are, if you will actively listen to it. And when you eat or drink it, Be Grateful.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Hmm i like that story, so i gave you some stars.

See, it was my birthday yesterday, and well i had some birthday cake. It was damn good cake, but after eating it, i just felt so drained. It could just be that it was so rich, that it made me energy-less, or that it had some sort of effect on vibrations. So to even it out, i went and ate some kiwis.

After the kiwis (3 of them) I felt a little more lively, generally more joyful. I don't know if this was my vibrations, or a pseudo effect. I have often thought this, that maybe this is just a pseudo effect of us really thinking its making a difference. Well i definately felt something.

I'm trying to just eat alot more fruit and veg, and generally healthier.

I'm thinking that the less suffering and pain attached to obtaining the food, the better for the vibes. This then made me think that fish should really lower the vibes, as fish die a terrible death. Some prawns have their eyes taken out for stupid purposes and fish just seem to have it really badly off.

Love&Light

Jacob

reply to post by JacobNH


Someone once told me that fish don't really have brains, just a large central nervous system. I'm not sure about that....does someone know?

I have caught them, myself, in the past, and when you bring them in the boat, and put them down, it seems to me they PANIC.

But remember, that this very fish has eaten other fish and plants, without remorse. It's just the way our planet is designed to function, isn't it?

Thank you for stars. It's nice to meet you.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I thought that was great. In my ingnorance I often forget to "worship" everything I put in my mouth but I have great respect for this cycle of energy exchange.

Regardless, I still only eat what feels natural as well and meat is not necessarily one of them.

reply to post by CavemanDD


I have read some of the things you have written on other threads.
You are awesome. I learned a lot from you.