This vid was creepy cool. But you know what's even scarier?
That ETs might be a million years more advanced than us.
We are living in exponential times, page 3
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reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 12:54 AM by BlasteR
reply to post by Karlhungis
Not sure if this has been posted before yet. But this video is very interesting and very applicable to this thread. The first 3 or 4 parts are pretty mind boggling. Part 2 is my personal fav..
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 1 of 8)"
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 2 of 8)"
-ChriS
Not sure if this has been posted before yet. But this video is very interesting and very applicable to this thread. The first 3 or 4 parts are pretty mind boggling. Part 2 is my personal fav..
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 1 of 8)"
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 2 of 8)"
-ChriS
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 01:21 AM by Evasius
I love discussion such as this because we're attempting to comtemplate that which cannot be known from this point in time, yet we're so close to
this event something very deep within us knows a profound culmination of change awaits us. We feel as though we're hurtling towards a brick wall
backwards with no brakes, or swirling down a drain to god knows where. Whatever is happening, we have no control, yet it's always been a
crucial point in our collective timeline ever since we became conscious and aware as a species.
Supposing we can imagine what lies beyond this infinte boundary of change, one thing seems certain considering the exponential nature of our progress. This Singularity scenario is so utterly explosive and powerful that the expansion of the growing intelligence will not only reach the speed of light, but will overstep this boundary by inducing quantum mechanics and relying on entanglement to almost instantaneously convert all ‘dead’ matter to conscious material.
Given the above, I believe one of two things await all successful species that reach this threshold of advancement.
The first is that this has already happened and the universe was long ago saturated with a previous post-singularity consciousness, and once we reach a certain level of advancement we will be absorbed (or will force our way) into the collective universal mind. This would explain the connection we feel with the universe – it is conscious, and it eagerly awaits our merger with it.
The second possibility is that all societies reaching Singularity gain the ability to actually leave the 3-Dimensional universe. This would explain why the visible universe is not already teeming with life. They've gone to higher (or simply other) states of being.
Assuming we can actually guess what a super-intelligent race would do, it's likely post-singularity societies opt to leave this 'intelligence breeding ground' (called the Cosmos) rather than taking on the mammoth task of colonizing it. It's possibly much simpler (and would require less energy) to slide into a parallel reality.
It's my opinion that life's purpose is to evolve towards (or revert) to a god-like state, not to stagnate in a cooling cosmos where entropy reigns supreme. Intelligence fights entropy by building upon itself and creating new states of connectedness, which is actually opposite to what the rest of the physical universe has been doing for billions of years (expanding, cooling…dissolving).
Perhaps this is why we're all stuck here wondering where everybody is - they're all far, far away (or possibly only inches away - in another reality), but they're there. We're actually in a cosmic womb right now, waiting to be born. This perspective inevitably leads one to believe that there is no intergalactic community, only scattered eggs of intelligence hatching throughout the universe, awaiting transcendence towards new states of being.
M-Theory allows many levels of existence. Quantum Theory allows many possible realities/timelines to coexist. Imagine if there was indeed any level of truth in either theory - then imagine merely choosing to remain within one's dimension of origin. Our assumption that all advanced intelligences choose to reside in (or cannot escape from) 3-dimensional space is flawed. A truly intelligent race would move on, as we will also more than likely do sometime this century.
***edit***
I added this video link in hindsight because it represents an often overlooked viewpoint that is in opposition to this runaway technological acceleration we all seem to be hungry for (or at the very least accepting as normal and necessary progress).
Bill McKibben is of the opinion that this acceleration is NOT necessary, and it is not normal, and that we should all step back, take a breath, and actually think about where we're all going before stomping on the accelerator even harder.
And although I find the idea of the Singularity intriguing and exciting, what he says makes sense, is very true, and should bring about a sense of caution in the most steadfast singularists out there. I do believe we're beyond the point of doubt and cautionary measures, but it is worth considering nonetheless.
Bill McKibben - Singularity Summit at Stanford
[edit on 11/6/09 by Evasius]
‘Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended.’ Vernor Vinge, 1993
Intelligence will be more powerful than these impersonal forces (physics and cosmology). Once a planet yields a technology creating species and that species creates computation (as has happened here on Earth), it is only a matter of a few centuries before its intelligence saturates the matter and energy in its vicinity, and it begins to expand outward at the speed of light or greater. It will then overcome gravity (through exquisite and vast technology) and other cosmological forces (or, to be fully accurate, will maneuver and control these forces) and create the Universe it wants. This is the goal of the Singularity. –Ray Kurzweil
Supposing we can imagine what lies beyond this infinte boundary of change, one thing seems certain considering the exponential nature of our progress. This Singularity scenario is so utterly explosive and powerful that the expansion of the growing intelligence will not only reach the speed of light, but will overstep this boundary by inducing quantum mechanics and relying on entanglement to almost instantaneously convert all ‘dead’ matter to conscious material.
Given the above, I believe one of two things await all successful species that reach this threshold of advancement.
The first is that this has already happened and the universe was long ago saturated with a previous post-singularity consciousness, and once we reach a certain level of advancement we will be absorbed (or will force our way) into the collective universal mind. This would explain the connection we feel with the universe – it is conscious, and it eagerly awaits our merger with it.
The second possibility is that all societies reaching Singularity gain the ability to actually leave the 3-Dimensional universe. This would explain why the visible universe is not already teeming with life. They've gone to higher (or simply other) states of being.
Assuming we can actually guess what a super-intelligent race would do, it's likely post-singularity societies opt to leave this 'intelligence breeding ground' (called the Cosmos) rather than taking on the mammoth task of colonizing it. It's possibly much simpler (and would require less energy) to slide into a parallel reality.
It's my opinion that life's purpose is to evolve towards (or revert) to a god-like state, not to stagnate in a cooling cosmos where entropy reigns supreme. Intelligence fights entropy by building upon itself and creating new states of connectedness, which is actually opposite to what the rest of the physical universe has been doing for billions of years (expanding, cooling…dissolving).
Perhaps this is why we're all stuck here wondering where everybody is - they're all far, far away (or possibly only inches away - in another reality), but they're there. We're actually in a cosmic womb right now, waiting to be born. This perspective inevitably leads one to believe that there is no intergalactic community, only scattered eggs of intelligence hatching throughout the universe, awaiting transcendence towards new states of being.
M-Theory allows many levels of existence. Quantum Theory allows many possible realities/timelines to coexist. Imagine if there was indeed any level of truth in either theory - then imagine merely choosing to remain within one's dimension of origin. Our assumption that all advanced intelligences choose to reside in (or cannot escape from) 3-dimensional space is flawed. A truly intelligent race would move on, as we will also more than likely do sometime this century.
***edit***
I added this video link in hindsight because it represents an often overlooked viewpoint that is in opposition to this runaway technological acceleration we all seem to be hungry for (or at the very least accepting as normal and necessary progress).
Bill McKibben is of the opinion that this acceleration is NOT necessary, and it is not normal, and that we should all step back, take a breath, and actually think about where we're all going before stomping on the accelerator even harder.
And although I find the idea of the Singularity intriguing and exciting, what he says makes sense, is very true, and should bring about a sense of caution in the most steadfast singularists out there. I do believe we're beyond the point of doubt and cautionary measures, but it is worth considering nonetheless.
Bill McKibben - Singularity Summit at Stanford
[edit on 11/6/09 by Evasius]
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 01:25 AM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by Karlhungis
cool ..... freakin ..... video ..... man.!
very eyeball opening
i think it all means that every doom and armagedon prophecy for the last 5,000 years is full of...guano (bat poop)
and the human race will continue to grow and exceed our predecessors' expectations.
thanks for sharing. star and flag
cool ..... freakin ..... video ..... man.!
very eyeball opening
i think it all means that every doom and armagedon prophecy for the last 5,000 years is full of...guano (bat poop)
and the human race will continue to grow and exceed our predecessors' expectations.
thanks for sharing. star and flag
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:42 AM by BlasteR
reply to post by Evasius
Alot of it also depends on whether or not Moore's Law can continue at the pace it is at now. Right now, the rate of technological advancement with relation to Moore's Law is pretty staggering. It has followed a pretty impressive bell curve of exponential growth. Noone knows if we'll be able to continue that trend. Alot of people don't think it's scientifically possible. Even Moore, himself, foresaw this inevitable dilemma.
It all depends on how minitarized we can make integrated circuits. Atomic, subatomic, smaller than that? Who knows. If we could build a microscopic factory to push these things out, that's one feasible way of doing it. We could even build factories to build smaller circuit factories.. ETC.. Until what we're left with is a liquid comprised of subatomic circuit goop. (much like the black liquid used by the Aeon in the game "Supreme Commander). Eventually, we might even be able to use gravity to compress the technology into a smaller and smaller area. Who knows!
Of coarse, in all this we reach a point at which computing power has the capability of destroying all life on earth pretty easily. I'm not even really talking about the typical "Skynet" scenario from Terminator (which is quite plausible). I'm talking about nanotechnology. One way of producing nanobots is to create nanofactories capable of automatically producing them on a miniature assembling line. If the bots can figure out how to build these tiny factories themselves, who knows how many would actually be produced.
It would be like an unstoppable airborne virus. Scientists call it "Grey goo" where clouds of these nanobots might one day destroy everything in their path by injesting the material as a source of constant energy.. Similar to what we see in the new version of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" with Keanu Reeves (I liked the older version better).
Nanotechnology is pretty scary stuff because..
1- Most people don't understand the very simple natural logarithm of 2 with relation to exponential growth over time. Therefore, people don't really understand how exponential growth is, itself, exponential in alot of ways. Would nano-engineers even think to consider this?
2- Forces at work designing and producing this kind of technology (governments and militaries) might not have the world's best interests at heart (DUH!). If the nanobots become inadvertantly or purposefully released as a weapon, they could multiply, etc..etc.. Pretty horrific possibilities here.
3- Nanobots used for medical applications would inevitably communicate with each other somehow. Therefore, if they decide to attack the human body from within rather than healing it or removing tumors, they could do it very quickly in an extremely organised and efficient way. Noone knows what might happen.
4- AI. Nanobots with Artifical Intelligence might just go off the chain and find away of telling all other nanobots to attack humans (sort of like a miniature skynet). They would inevitably build bases, weapons, be able to form themselves into complex mechanical devices like missiles and bombs. They would probably even research and develop faster, better, smaller, smarter versions of themselves. That would be a force we would have no way of stopping.
-ChriS
Alot of it also depends on whether or not Moore's Law can continue at the pace it is at now. Right now, the rate of technological advancement with relation to Moore's Law is pretty staggering. It has followed a pretty impressive bell curve of exponential growth. Noone knows if we'll be able to continue that trend. Alot of people don't think it's scientifically possible. Even Moore, himself, foresaw this inevitable dilemma.
It all depends on how minitarized we can make integrated circuits. Atomic, subatomic, smaller than that? Who knows. If we could build a microscopic factory to push these things out, that's one feasible way of doing it. We could even build factories to build smaller circuit factories.. ETC.. Until what we're left with is a liquid comprised of subatomic circuit goop. (much like the black liquid used by the Aeon in the game "Supreme Commander). Eventually, we might even be able to use gravity to compress the technology into a smaller and smaller area. Who knows!
Of coarse, in all this we reach a point at which computing power has the capability of destroying all life on earth pretty easily. I'm not even really talking about the typical "Skynet" scenario from Terminator (which is quite plausible). I'm talking about nanotechnology. One way of producing nanobots is to create nanofactories capable of automatically producing them on a miniature assembling line. If the bots can figure out how to build these tiny factories themselves, who knows how many would actually be produced.
It would be like an unstoppable airborne virus. Scientists call it "Grey goo" where clouds of these nanobots might one day destroy everything in their path by injesting the material as a source of constant energy.. Similar to what we see in the new version of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" with Keanu Reeves (I liked the older version better).
Nanotechnology is pretty scary stuff because..
1- Most people don't understand the very simple natural logarithm of 2 with relation to exponential growth over time. Therefore, people don't really understand how exponential growth is, itself, exponential in alot of ways. Would nano-engineers even think to consider this?
2- Forces at work designing and producing this kind of technology (governments and militaries) might not have the world's best interests at heart (DUH!). If the nanobots become inadvertantly or purposefully released as a weapon, they could multiply, etc..etc.. Pretty horrific possibilities here.
3- Nanobots used for medical applications would inevitably communicate with each other somehow. Therefore, if they decide to attack the human body from within rather than healing it or removing tumors, they could do it very quickly in an extremely organised and efficient way. Noone knows what might happen.
4- AI. Nanobots with Artifical Intelligence might just go off the chain and find away of telling all other nanobots to attack humans (sort of like a miniature skynet). They would inevitably build bases, weapons, be able to form themselves into complex mechanical devices like missiles and bombs. They would probably even research and develop faster, better, smaller, smarter versions of themselves. That would be a force we would have no way of stopping.
-ChriS
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 04:24 AM by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Karlhungis
ok - first question :
what are these ` top ten jobs ` that did not exist 6 years ago ?????
second question - actually more of a obserevation -
you can look at almost any decade in the 20th century and see exponential growth
embrace the future
ok - first question :
what are these ` top ten jobs ` that did not exist 6 years ago ?????
second question - actually more of a obserevation -
you can look at almost any decade in the 20th century and see exponential growth
embrace the future
. We don't even
try to ponder what goes under the hood.reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 11:22 AM by audas
Originally posted by BlasteR
reply to post by Karlhungis
Not sure if this has been posted before yet. But this video is very interesting and very applicable to this thread. The first 3 or 4 parts are pretty mind boggling. Part 2 is my personal fav..
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 1 of 8)"
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 2 of 8)"
-ChriS
Why I have to move beyond such luminary posts is beyond me 0
absolute quality.
THANKS.
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 05:34 PM by miragezero
Excellent vid. Don't believe the hype ppl; the reports of humanity's demise are greatly exaggerated! :-)
Thanks to people like Ray Kurzweil and a host of others a new movement is taking route... singularitarianism. Think positive and help make the future the great place that it will be. :-D
Thanks to people like Ray Kurzweil and a host of others a new movement is taking route... singularitarianism. Think positive and help make the future the great place that it will be. :-D
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 09:51 PM by miragezero
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
S&F Thanks for the post.
As with all science it is a dual edged sword. I see no great advantage nor disadvantage to "progress".
You don't see an advantage to genetics making aging obsolete?
Or that nanotechnology will be able to destroy disease and optimize your biology and/or replace it alltogether by building it molecule by molecule?
Or that increasing intelligence either using genetics or technology (or both) will allow for more progress faster to become smarter faster so on and so forth until the world completely changes and we solve our problems... :-)
reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 10:51 PM by BlasteR
reply to post by miragezero
The idea that we can solve our problems with technology is very valid. But to think technology will always be innocent and subservient to us a stance that assumes alot about things we don't yet understand. Things like artificial intelligence, how it will all really work in whatever application it is designed for, how it will be programmed, etc..
Whenever you have AI writing code for different applications and for more advanced versions of itself, whose to say the AI wouldn't insert an engineered virus towards its own ends (one we could never detect)? There just isn't any way to feasibly predict what such an advanced AI would really think, do, what code it would write in the background, etc..
Humans don't exactly have a clean record when it comes to design flaws and engineering disasters. Anything could happen.
-ChriS
The idea that we can solve our problems with technology is very valid. But to think technology will always be innocent and subservient to us a stance that assumes alot about things we don't yet understand. Things like artificial intelligence, how it will all really work in whatever application it is designed for, how it will be programmed, etc..
Whenever you have AI writing code for different applications and for more advanced versions of itself, whose to say the AI wouldn't insert an engineered virus towards its own ends (one we could never detect)? There just isn't any way to feasibly predict what such an advanced AI would really think, do, what code it would write in the background, etc..
Humans don't exactly have a clean record when it comes to design flaws and engineering disasters. Anything could happen.
-ChriS
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