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reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 07:39 AM by spaznational
Originally posted by audas
Originally posted by Ian McLean
I've searched and searched, but I can't find any sources that indicate this "experiment" is anything other than a fable.

Perhaps some monkey would wait until the others are asleep then grab the banana. Or the banana would rot and none of them would want it. Monkeys aren't stupid; the do self-assert and try creative things.

This video is junk pseudo-science, that attempts to dress up a perhaps-valid point as a basic law of behavioral psychology. In fact, the anecdote is the kind of disinformation it tries to exemplify - accepting authority opinion without validation.


Except for the fact that the video does not claim it is the truth, nor enforces it upon you - simply presents it as an anecdote as you have clearly indicated yet chosen to ignore as you chastise it for claims of scientific rigour - which the video never claims yet you attempt to discredit the video for making such claims which only you claim - ironic how your own post has clearly indicated demonstrated the validity of the videos arguments through your won attempts to discredit it - wow - cool.



The video does not make any explicit claims about it being based on any experiment but also does not state that it is anecdotal. The presentation is set up, however, like something you might see on Discovery Channel, in an authoritative style, which makes it misleading. Intentionally misleading.

The basic premise may or may not be true. I don't know. Someone needs to get 10 monkeys and find out for us.

At the end the video randomly shows an illustration of a police officer brutalizing a war protester. Of all the billions of possible scenarios they could use to illustrate their thesis they chose that one, one that doesn't actually illustrate anything but forces the viewer to quickly--thoughtlessly--force a psychological connection between the sheepish monkeys and current world conditions. Massive fallacy. But hey, who needs intellectual rigor these days amirite? So, I've concluded that this is straight-up leftist propaganda. Ian McLean's response did not in any way validate this video's premise, nor has mine. But perhaps YOUR response has, in a way...

Leftism is anti-reason, anti-reality, and always pragmatic about the "blurriness" of reality; nothing is concrete for the leftist mind. Too bad for them we live in one harshly concrete reality!


reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 02:53 AM by Edrick
reply to post by impending_pyrrhic_victory



Great points, especially about the money thing.

But you are missing something very important.

Gold is not valuable either.

As a Metal, it is too soft for practical use.

As a conductor, it is too scarce to be usefull.

Sure, it's pretty.... but so is Pyrite

www.crystalradio.net...

So what makes Gold so valuable?


This inflated desire for gold goes back thousands of years.

Really.... of what value is gold, that cannot be applied to pyrite as well?


-Edrick


reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 07:26 PM by Pentacular
reply to post by KOGDOG



I wondered what version of "The Way" you were referring to KOGDOG, as many religious sects claim to be of The Way but are not, as the original path had no deities, nor was any form of godmongering tolerated. The teachings of The Way were later twisted to a base purpose, and the rest is now history.

Thanks,
P

"ByThe Way, and by one way alone, the Earth's final message to man shall be known....."
The Son of the Widow



reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 08:23 PM by Pentacular
reply to post by Edrick




"So what makes Gold so valuable?"

Edrick, the thing that makes gold so valuable, is the idea that gold is valuable.
The reason that false beliefs are so attractive is that they use tthe idea of promised rewards for certain forms of behaviours. Such promised rewards cannot be substantiated, and cannot in fact be delivered, yet they remain attractive to our incessant need for security and reassurance of continued existence, even in the presence of lack of evidence of the existence of the imagined rewards.
It might be compared to having to pay off a loan on a very expensive car, without ever getting to see the car itself.
We continue to follow the idea of gaining something for effort expended, even if the goal is illusory and ever-moving, like a mirage. The frustration of not being able to succeed in attaining the goal, causes anxiety to build up in the mind of the individual, thus adding to the pre-existing sense of failure, even if the original carrot only existed as an idea that only originated in baseless and unfounded thought processes.

To compare men to monkeys is insulting.....to monkeys....as their capacity for reason is limited, and man has a higher potential for accuracy of mental projection in his strivings. However, he also has an even greater capacity for ignorance i.e. the ability to ignore, which he utilises at any given moment when the idea of being instantly gratified temporarily eases his sense of discomfort.
The human subconscious mind has no capacity for reason, as its primary function is to constantly protect and defend everyhing it considers important to the self, the ego, the primal unreasoning beast that exists in all living things. When the being's already limited capacity to reason has been castrated by false and contradictory indoctrinations, usually when young, and acccepted as factually real by the sunconscious mind, then the being operates on a hair-trigger response mechanism instead of a methodology of balanced thought.
Belief systems, and religions in particular, operate on the knowledge of these primal leanings, and they promote rote methodologies of compliance and unquestioning obedience, for which they promise rewards that are always just out of reach. People then become familiar with failure as an expected part of their lives, thus leaving them vulnerable to abuse by the most predatory of non-humans, who know how to twist the knife to elicit the required response.
We are truly a shameful species, and my recurring thought when I witness so much of this evil process, is not so much "How will we survive?" but "Do we deserve to survive?"

P




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reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 08:47 PM by imsuchaniceguy
Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to
post by audas



And that the fable seems a little too convenient, like it's contrived to show a point.

Humans probably act that way, however.


Because it was contrived to show a point. It was contrived to show a point about humans. Neat how your post is ironic yet again. You answer your own questions and then ask the same thing again. You clearly missed the point of the video and in your post, you are sooooo close. Oh well. Carry on.
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