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Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
Originally posted by heyo
Not to stick up for people that are religous or anything, cause they're so obviously below most in this thread, but it it seems to me that with the larger amount of information available, there are a lot of new monkeys that are coming in and wait....no one's getting sprayed with water.
Like, we no longer have to face our "purification" lol.
Just my two monkey cents.
Yes, but some still fear the beating.
Originally posted by Guidance.Is.Internal
Anybody ever notice how people around here post a story/video about primate behavior, draw parallels to human behavior, put on their pseudo-intellectual glasses and say "look how simple-minded and easily coerced people are" ?
The monkeys are just being social animals acting in what they perceive to be their own best interest. Big deal .. and like someone else pointed out, we have the advantage of being able to communicate to each other why we're acting the way we are .. so .. there isn't even much of a parallel .. and this thread is kind of silly ..
When confronted with the awesome power of civilization whose first representatives are parents, teachers, priests (and, later on, police officers, legislators and bosses) the child faces, psychologically, the same situation as its tribal ancestors, namely, conform to the dictates of civilization or die. The helplessness of childhood makes the threat of bodily harm or loss of love, which is used by the parents and others to enforce civilized morality and civilized education, a traumatic experience. The developing little person becomes afraid to express its own tribal nature. There is much fear that lies at the bottom of becoming a civilized adult.
When the child becomes aware of ideas and impulses that oppose the dictates of civilization, s/he experiences anxiety, which is the signal for danger. It is not the insights and urges themselves that the child fears, but rather the reaction to them on the part of those in charge. Since the child cannot escape from those who control its life, s/he runs away from dangerous thoughts and feelings. In other words, the child institutes repression of its primitive self. Tribal ideas are now isolated, cut off from awareness, and unable to properly influence the future course of events.
These ego-alien identifications, built up over the course of a lifetime, cohere and form a distinct, circumscribed personality, or false self, that represents and enforces the rules and regulations of civilization.
This false self is observable in the frozen facial expressions, stereotypic gestures, and unexamined behavioral patterns of the general public. This false self determines much of our everyday lives, so that we are seldom the origin of our actions. We lapse into the false self at the first sign of danger, under stress, or simply because it is the path of least resistance. In this unthinking mode of social role playing, we internally reproduce our own oppression
The importance of this self-respect as a prime motivator of human nature can hardly be overstated; it may enable an individual to defy civilization, even in the face of the hatred of the whole modern world. When an individual acquires fundamental self-respect, then s/he will be made a fool no longer, and all the blows of civilization are nothing but the battle scars of a proud warrior. Civilization is powerless against it, because a person who has re-claimed fundamental self-respect cares nothing about the laws and standards of civilization.
This self-respect leads to genuine self-love, the second and decisive step on the path to sanity, for self-love (and happiness in large measure) consists in becoming one's own ideal again, as in childhood. This self-love eventually overflows and becomes love for others and for external nature.
Originally posted by blackpheonix
reply to post by badw0lf
I agree with your post badw0lf propaganda works on both sides. And it is always better to discover truth for yourself then to let someone guide you. Real truth has to be experienced not told
Originally posted by audas
Here is what happens when monkeys misbehave in the real world - we create and enforcer, and then a better enforcer, then the ultimate enforcer until we can no longer control the enforcer and the enforcer controls us - the following video has exactly the same level of basis in reality, it has lays down the same claims to scientific fact, it has the same anecdotal style - both are CGI videos of controls - see if you can understand the medium and the message (thanks Malcom McClune)
WE are the monkeys, notice the suits?
Originally posted by Ian McLean
reply to post by audas
Huh? I was just pointing out that I could find no evidence that monkeys actually do what this video describes. And that the fable seems a little too convenient, like it's contrived to show a point.
Humans probably act that way, however.