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Is There a Double Standard for Presidents Talking About Their Faith?

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Is There a Double Standard for Presidents Talking About Their Faith?


www.foxnews.com

It is no secret that President George W. Bush was heavily criticized by the atheist community during his time in office. The Arizona director of American Atheists, Monty Gaither, said back in 2001: "Unlike someone like Jimmy Carter, who talked about his religion a lot but never tried to alter the laws to favor religion, Bush not only talks about it, but he wants to shove it down everyone's throat."
Now the Politico newspaper reports in a June 9, 2009 article titled "Obama Invokes Jesus More Than Bush,” that the current president has actually spoken about his faith far more frequently:
(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Most of the Founding Fathers and Early Presidents Were Deists and Freemasons, Not Christians, yet Christianity is a prerequisite to becoming President. The founding fathers wanted not only to establish freedom of religion.

They wanted to establish freedom from religious bigotry and theocratic imposition. They wanted to ensure that no religious sect or denomination could dominate or rule, and they also wanted to ensure that no specific religion could dominate or rule. Thomas Jefferson said: "The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man." – Thomas Jefferson, 1800

We will soon find that religion may well ne a global Entity. One joined in Union. How would this possibly work? It seems impossible to me? Everything is evolving around a united World,, one of global health and welfare. Religion may be at it’s core.




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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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The token references to relgious figures has to be thrown in now and then. An attempt has to be made to appease both sides of the fence. In many cases this can be hypocritical if at the same time they are trying to make anti/pro-religion policies...

As for a united religion, I really doubt we'd ever see it.

That is, until one of them wipes out another, leaving that religion to become dominant.


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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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If the founding fathers were not Christians then why is almost every landmark in Washington DC covered with verses from the Bible.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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if you look it up they werent so yeah that prolly because most people were Christians but they werent


i dont see why people were tripping on wether or not obama was a muslim, either way hes deceitful, but i mean there would have been a uproar if he openly admitted he was muslim and thats just stupid

also why do you have to swear on the bible when your giving testimony in court, i mean i wouldnt do it

and you have to swear on the bible when your inaugurated thats just ignorant



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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All of my founding forefathers were Christian.

The problem is they are removing God from nearly all aspects of society and they claim to be Christian.

Thanks for that comment.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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The big thing about the possibility that Obama is Muslim has Biblical implications. A muslim is not what we want. If so he would be considered a threat and liar. That is their conclusion and beliefs.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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what do you mean by thats not what we want

and either way hes still a liar and a threat



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by grapesofraft
 


All of my founding forefathers were Christian.

The problem is they are removing God from nearly all aspects of society and they claim to be Christian.

Thanks for that comment.



www.skeptically.org...

fail on your part imo



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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I guess I didnt understand your question. My opinion is he better not be a Muslim, if so impeach him immediatly!

We dont need him having lucheons with Iran or other Arab Confederacies.

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
We will soon find that religion may well ne a global Entity. One joined in Union. How would this possibly work? It seems impossible to me?


Of course it's possible.

The only "religion" which can become global entity is Atheism, but than, again, Atheists are immoral, evil and don't want to live forever, hmmmm, maybe that was not such a good idea after all



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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and my question is why. Why wouldnt you impeach him for the destruction of the things this country was founded on, nor religion, but freedom but because hes a muslim like wtf



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:44 PM
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In my opinion - - Obama from the beginning has made a deliberate effort to recognize - mention and include various faiths often.

So - no I don't see a double standard.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Good point Atheists combine in unity and harmony.

I do know a couple good hearted Atheists though. It is an odd thought.

What's with Atheists have faith in Obama? Things are really getting odd!



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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The reason Obama probably brings up his faith so often is because there are still so many people who question which faith he actually belongs to. It's no secret that a large portion of the population believes he is a Muslim, so his advisers probably tell him to stress Christianity to assuage those fears.

In my honest opinion, if Obama is a Muslim he should just come out and say it. It's pretty ridiculous that in a nation of supposed religious tolerance we haven't had a single nonchristian president, and since he's also the first black president he could kill 2 birds with one stone. Despite all of the Muslim rumors and his continual use of Christianity in his public appearances, I tend to think Obama is secretly an Atheist. I don't know why, but he just doesn't seem like someone caught up in religious nonsense. He just does it for show.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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an odd thought... what do you think all atheist are evil sinful and hateful get out of here



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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So you are ok with a President that outright lies to the citizens of his country? We all know they lie to a degree, but if he is an atheist than people have a right to know that before they vote for the man.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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My problem with it is I strongly believe in the separation of church and state.

I am not saying any president can't be any religion he wants, seriously.

I am saying, however, he should not publicly talk about it or influence laws in regards to that said religion.

I know it happens more often than not, but that still does not make it right.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft

So you are ok with a President that outright lies to the citizens of his country? We all know they lie to a degree, but if he is an atheist than people have a right to know that before they vote for the man.


Well, not exactly. I'm not OK with the fact that he is probably lying about his faith. I'm REALLY not OK with the fact that he has to lie to pander to an intolerant population.

The fact is, every politician lies. I'd rather have a politician who lies about not being a Muslim, or an Atheist, then one that lies about whether or not we torture, or whether or not there are WMD's in a country he's trying to invade. The sad fact is that there are people out there who will actually vote against a person strictly because of their religion. If Obama announced he was a Muslim, or an atheist, the democratic party would never have even backed him. Its just as hateful as voting against someone because they are a different skin-color, or a different gender. We've beaten down those walls in this country, why do we continue to pile bricks on the wall that is religion?



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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its all because everyone wants to say we are based off christian beliefs and that any other person of a diff. religion wouldnt follow these ideas and i think thats ignorant

i wouldnt care wether or not our pres. is a catholic, atheist, Buddhist, gnostic, or a freaking flying spaghetti monster guy hes still going to be ran by the elite



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