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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Now that the world knows the F-22 is well and truly the most unbeatable aircraft,
nothing is unbeatable
that leaves second place up for grabs for the eurofighter and the su-47.
su-47 is a testbed aircraft
It will be a well contested fight as both airplanes are highly menuverable.
I personally feel the Su-47 can beat the eurofoghter.
case closed
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Now that the world knows the F-22 is well and truly the most unbeatable aircraft, that leaves second place up for grabs for the eurofighter and the su-47.
Originally posted by Humpy
I agree with Flanker - nothing is unbeatable. Its not a question of how good the plane is - a plane is only as good as the pilot flying. You can have a really cr*p pilot in a good plane getting shot down by a really good pilot in an old wornout fighter.
Originally posted by Humpy
I agree with Flanker - nothing is unbeatable. Its not a question of how good the plane is - a plane is only as good as the pilot flying. You can have a really cr*p pilot in a good plane getting shot down by a really good pilot in an old wornout fighter.
Originally posted by longbow
Has the Berkut thrust-vectoring? I think yes, but I'm not sure. If yes, than Su-47 can beat EF (if Berkut is equiped with good avionics and radar). As already somebody wrote EF should be compared to Su-35.
Originally posted by psteel
AWACS can be shot down as the Russians have a 400km AAM for that purpose , so relying on AWACS could be a problem.
From what I read USAF has done poorly in mock airbattles with Israeli , Germans and even Indians jets. Some of these mock battles ended up 20:1 against the USAF . Yes there were mitgating factors but if the pilot is tops then the USAF could be in trouble.
Originally posted by psteel
AWACS can be shot down as the Russians have a 400km AAM for that purpose , so relying on AWACS could be a problem.
From what I read USAF has done poorly in mock airbattles with Israeli , Germans and even Indians jets. Some of these mock battles ended up 20:1 against the USAF . Yes there were mitgating factors but if the pilot is tops then the USAF could be in trouble.
Biased Rand study peg the kill ratio against common SU-27 threat [all things being equal ] at
10:1 vs F-22 and 4.5:1 Vs Typhoon. So by that comparison F-22 will only get about 2.2 :1 against TYphoon in a airbattle ....going on the biased Rand study.
Originally posted by longbow
Originally posted by psteel
AWACS can be shot down as the Russians have a 400km AAM for that purpose , so relying on AWACS could be a problem.
From what I read USAF has done poorly in mock airbattles with Israeli , Germans and even Indians jets. Some of these mock battles ended up 20:1 against the USAF . Yes there were mitgating factors but if the pilot is tops then the USAF could be in trouble.
Biased Rand study peg the kill ratio against common SU-27 threat [all things being equal ] at
10:1 vs F-22 and 4.5:1 Vs Typhoon. So by that comparison F-22 will only get about 2.2 :1 against TYphoon in a airbattle ....going on the biased Rand study.
No it coould also mean F22 can shot down 10 Typhoons. You need to make direct comparison between those aircrafts.
P.S. I think this study is a bunch of #. How could they know what specs the Raptor has(including RCS)? And also those specs of Su-35.
Originally posted by Flanker
exactly, its BS, i bet they tested it with enemy aircraft that had no awacs or support what so ever.
Originally posted by ppp
"P.S. I think this study is a bunch of (c). How could they know what specs the Raptor has(including RCS)?"
Try an RCS of 0.025 m2 and Radar range of 490km.