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reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:45 PM by heliosprime
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
What I know about Christianity is that Christ's giving of himself absolved us from those Old Testament laws, so you can relax now.
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Matt 5:17-18
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
err, it the old testament laws are all gone, then why is Murder still a crime, ohh, how about stealing?
anyone, anyone, anyone?
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reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:56 PM by heliosprime
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by heliosprime
I think you'll discover, should you bother to look, that most of our Founding Fathers were not practising christians/catholics, they were, infact,
Deists.
It does not matter a whit what the Founding Fathers were in their own religious practises, they protected the Freedom of religion, any religion from
just this sort of nonsense of "my god can beat up your god" (like it's a playground, or something...).
What's in a name? Your screen name for instance "Heliosprime". Helios? A name for the Sun in Greek, the god of the Sun...my, my, a bit heretical
don't you think? Better watch that, or someone is going to accuse you of trying to subvert all of Christendom...
tisk, tisk, the same old lie.....
A Study of Their Writings Proves They Believed in God and Were Promoters of Christianity
The writings of several of the most notable Founding Fathers indicates they believed in God and were promoters of Christianity. For purposes of this
article, just three will be discussed: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin.
By dictionary definition, deists, atheists, and agnostics are synonymous and include those who believe there is no God at all; those who believe there
is no way to know if God exists; and those who believe in a distant, impersonal creator of the universe.
www.associatedcontent.com...
As per the name "heliosprime".......yes, helios...greek for "sun god"......bringer of light to the darkness...........oh and prime........
prime (prm)
adj.
1. First in excellence, quality, or value. See Usage Note at perfect.
2. First in degree or rank; chief. See Synonyms at chief.
3. First or early in time, order, or sequence; original.
4. Of the highest U.S. government grade of meat.
5. Mathematics Of, relating to, or being a prime number.
understand now?
and also a name of a planet in"riddick" where the vileness of islam had spread before doom came to it.............
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reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 03:46 PM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by heliosprime
err, it the old testament laws are all gone, then why is Murder still a crime, ohh, how about stealing? anyone, anyone, anyone?
How about pork chops? Anybody doing eternity for a pork chop?
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reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 11:32 AM by heliosprime
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by heliosprime
err, it the old testament laws are all gone, then why is Murder still a crime, ohh, how about stealing? anyone, anyone, anyone?
How about pork chops? Anybody doing eternity for a pork chop?
Anyone notice the rise in cancer rate worldwide also seems similar to the increase in pork products?
www.nationmaster.com...
see any islamic countries? how about Israel?
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reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 07:29 PM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by heliosprime
err, it the old testament laws are all gone, then why is Murder still a crime, ohh, how about stealing?
anyone, anyone, anyone?
Why Can't I Own a Canadian?
October 2002
Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open
letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with
as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states
it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the
odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell?
I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't
agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision
have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with
people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim www.humanistsofutah.org...
...and pork causes cancer? Like, whatever, Dude.
I'd stay out of the sun.
And to get back to the thread, because he wants to
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reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 06:03 AM by heliosprime
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13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
www.biblegateway.com...
Seems pretty simple, keep the comandments or die............those who mock God's law will surely die...........
Barack Hussien Obama is the Islamic name of a man, who by keeping this name mocks God's law by following the vile lie that is Islam. Islam denies
Christ is the son of the living God who came, died, and was risen.
Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he
never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to
kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad
in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).
www.apologeticsindex.org...
By keeping this abomination of a name, he has turned his back against Christ. Turning your back to Jesus is also turning your back on God.
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reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 10:29 AM by JohnnyCanuck
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Originally posted by heliosprime
Seems pretty simple, keep the comandments or die............those who mock God's law will surely die...........Barack Hussien Obama is the Islamic
name of a man, who by keeping this name mocks God's law by following the vile lie that is Islam...By keeping this abomination of a name, he has
turned his back against Christ. Turning your back to Jesus is also turning your back on God.
I can only conclude that you eat Kosher, you don't trim your beard, and so forth. Pork, out. Shellfish, out. I think bunny is out, too...don't know
about squirrel so you may be in luck.
Have you broken a cow's neck at the scene of an unsolved murder?(Deut. 21:4) Not sure if you can do eternity for that one, but you'd best not gossip
about this. Indeed, is your incessant flaming of all things Obama not gossip? Can't do that (Ephesians 4:29)
My point, Sunshine, is that unless you keep all of the edicts...stoning adulterers, not mixing linen and wool, then you are a cafeteria
Christian..."I'll have a little of this and some of that...big dollop of homophobia, please..."
And as such, and seeing as you regard the President as one who scoffs at the word of God...or is that G-d?...you may as well look forward to doing
eternity side-by-each with your buddy Obama. Best get used to it.
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reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 06:55 PM by heliosprime
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Sunshine?, wow that was funny........oh you left mushrooms off the Kosher NOT list, "fungus" don't you know...........
By your mindset, the law was impossible to keep, problem....Jesus was perfect. And died because "man" is not. So just because YOU fail in the law
means it should be ignored? That is why Jesus became human, died, and rose again, so you could be less than perfect, "in the law".....
God's law is absolute and perfect. Keep the comandments and ask forgiveness when you fail. Its the ignoring part God hates.........satan ignores,
and is hated.........
Obama is pure satanic filth.........just wait and see...........or you could ignore the law, I hear the ending is really "hot" if you do.....
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reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 07:41 PM by stumason
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"Islam is a vile abomination", "a vile lie", Obama is "satanic Muslim filth"?
There I was thinking such language against a group of people was banned on ATS?
Such hatred being spouted by you, but what makes you feel so special you feel you can spew this disgusting language against a whole group of people?
You infer anyone who isn't a Christian is a "vile abomination" and is to be hated, but surely this is against the teachings of Christ?
You such a hypocrite and I find you totally distasteful. You should take a long look in the mirror and wonder if Jebus would be happy at your
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:12 PM by desert
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When we look up at clouds to see if any look like something recognizable to us, we project onto the cloud what we want to see. I think that this is
what is happening to Barack Hussein Obama. (If his mother had given him her maiden name, he would have been Barack Hussein Dunham.)
People will project onto Obama their hopes, their fears, their anger. Some will be reminded of his white, middle class family Kansas upbringing and
think how refreshing to have someone who has such middle American values in the office of POTUS.
Two people will see him as the multicultural future of America: one will be proud that America can produce a world leader who can be comfortable in
different world cultures, the other will be horrified, not just perhaps due to the terribly outdated idea that skin color matters (going beyond racism
to supremacy), but giving in to personal religious fears of a nation literally "going to hell", where the "other" is seen as the devil himself.
It is sad whenever anyone of any faith is filled with such hatred, such religious supremacy, that they no longer are capable of loving a fellow human
being. It is even sadder that such hatred is taught, passed on to younger generations.
Jesus fought the devil himself, but did not go around trying to find the devil in others. He told those around him to love one another unconditionally
as he had loved them. And to be aware of their own personal actions which would do otherwise. He taught that we should ask for forgiveness of others,
that we need to love our enemies, not that one's enemy could give a flying fig about accepting our forgiveness or returning love in return. No,
asking for forgiveness and loving one's enemy was meant to make an individual a better human being, an example for others to follow. We fall short of
the abundance of the Gift of Life we were given when we cannot find it in our hearts to do these things.
Those who would spew hatred, those who would do harm to others, and those that encourage such hatred and harm, should find no resting place in civil
society. It is one thing to hold political leaders accountable and to be able to freely demonstrate citizen discontent, it is quite another to
demonstrate hatred.
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:44 PM by drwizardphd
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Originally posted by heliosprime
His (mother) and grandparents who actually raised him called him "barry" for far longer than he decided to call himself "barack". It is an
obvious sign of his complete hatred for all things christian and american. He only became prez to destroy both chrisitanity and america. The very
thing his vile father satan spawned him to do............
Ok, I have to give it up to the OP. You are either a comedic genius working in a not-so-subtle way to expose the ridiculousness of the religious
right, or you're a moron.
I forgot, is Obama Islamic or Satanic? Perhaps he should change his name to Lucifer? I think if you did some research, you would be absolutely
flabbergasted by many of the extreme similarities between Islam and Christianity. They have a few different words for different things, but the
general concepts are all strikingly similar. link
Seriously though, if this is all a joke I apologize for my animosity. I did get a really good laugh out of it, after all. Thanks again, I needed that.
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:50 PM by Jimi2012
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C'mon.... really? It's his name. It's the same reason that at 31 I don't like being called Mr. by teenagers....I would rather them call me by my
first name. It's a personal decision. The question you should ponder is if Obama is a muslim, why would he attend a christian church his whole life??
I don't care if he's christian, muslim or venusian.... religion needs to be kept out of politics....take a look around the world.
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 07:50 PM by jouseroni
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Jees who cares, its his born name, he likes it. For example when I was younger I had a nickname all my friends called me and around when I was 20 or
so I started asking them if theyd just call me my real name. I see this as the same thing. Don't read so much into everything. And no offense but
I've read some of your other posts on here and you seem like some anti muslim crusader for some reason. I don't personally know any muslims in the
middle east but I have some friends here in the states that are muslims (all though they dont really practice the religion) and they are some of my
best friends and the nicest people I know (their parents/families are kind of strict, but the younger ones are really good people, atleast all the
ones I've met and know)
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 07:57 PM by jouseroni
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Originally posted by heliosprime
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Because it's his name.
Sort of like how despite not being a Christian, I keep my Christian name.
omgwtfbbq, right?
Seriously, some people will freak out over anything.
His (mother) and grandparents who actually raised him called him "barry" for far longer than he decided to call himself "barack". It is an
obvious sign of his complete hatred for all things christian and american. He only became prez to destroy both chrisitanity and america. The very
thing his vile father satan spawned him to do............
Oh and don't go to the rev wright church lie..........rev wright is about as christian as Osama bin Ladin or the nut job running iran..........
As time moves forward barry will discover publically his roots to Islam.......something he has always held close.
Wow no offense but you sound like such a hateful person, jees. Exactly the kind person I do not hang around. And in my opionon christian and america
should not be in the same sentence. I don't think ANY religion should be associated with government (even though it kind of is). Don't bother
responding cause I'm sure it will be full of seething negativity hatred, and I won't read it. Some of you on this board are so paranoid lol.
LOL helio i just read more of your posts and you are so uneducated I just have to laugh at you. I always know people are kooks when the only proof of
things they can post is things from the bible. AHAHAHHAHAHAHAA.
I'm very wiling to bet that what this all boils down to is you have hatred towards blacks/brown people. Or you are a christian and this just boils
down to hatred and non tolerance for all other religions.
I personally am agnostic and happy to not associate with religion because religion breeds rediculous extremist views in my opionon (and I'm not just
talking about like christianity and islam im talking ALL religions, every religion has their idiotic extremists)
A lot of you guys preach peace and love and all kind of stuff when really you are some of the most prejudice/racist and generally most hateful people
on the entire planet.
Also after reading this thread its good to see there is much more people who don't believe this crap then there is people who do. I only saw like 2
posts of people saying stuff like "obamas the antichrist" (I don't like obama either but he isnt any worst than any other president we have had for
the last 50 years or so, in my opionon, I think the reason a lot of you just don't like him is because you are stupid hicks and think he has a funny
name lol and because he is brown).
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 08:13 PM by jouseroni
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Originally posted by heliosprime
Originally posted by desert
America is supposed to be the home of the brave, but if we keep the old ways, the old illusions, out of fear of becoming less, we are actually setting
this great nation up to fail. Shrinking America to fit into small ideas is not a good thing.
The problem is that so many white american leftist feel guilty for being white and give into the tyranny of the angry minority. Rather than be called
racist by angry radicals, they make a great show of being "tollerant" rather than having actual values to live by and for. Obama was elected out of
fear of being called racist. His life and record show only contempt for american values and christianity.
no obama was elected because basically his only competition was mccain and who in their right mind would want mccain (not saying obama is good but hes
the lesser of 2 evils in my opionon). Also a lot of the people who voted for obama are young people and a lot of young people in this day and age
arent racist and they are very tolerant of other people and they didn't want some stark raving mad old man as president. Trust me I have friends who
voted for obama and it had nothing to with feeling guilty. You are rediculous man, I don't even know why i'm posting a mesage to you. I bet you are
a inbred retard who lives in a barn in the south and probably doenst even know ONE SINGLE PERSON who is different then you (no offense to southern
people, I'm not talking about all of you, just the rednecks)
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 08:19 PM by jouseroni
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Originally posted by heliosprime
reply to post by seagull
Please find me an Islamic founding father...........there is none.......Islam is a complete abomination to God. Electing an prez with islamic roots
who recently claimed america is no longer a christian nation is an abomination to God, the founding fathers, and the millions of warriors who shed
blood for this country. The blessings america once enjoyed have become curses just as indicated in Lev.
Obama has already destroyed a once blessed and great nation. Now the american people will suffer "leadership" all the way to nuclear hell at the
hands of his islamic brothers........
Tollerance, such an evil and twisted word..........has lead to openly gay abominations, millions of murdered babies through abortion, a vastly growing
central gov that will strangle the entire country with its insanity.
Gone forever are the days of "God Bless America" being sung from every large gathering of faithful americans. Even now the vile "call to prayer"
can be heard in american cities, yet the ten comandments must be removed from sight...........
Gear-up america, the tribulation is at hand, perhaps obamassiah can save you? Save you to follow him into hell.............
not everyone believes in god and bases their whole life around god, for christ sakes man. Its people like you that really scare me in this world to be
honest. So full of hatred and anger. How can you have such seething hatred for a whole race of people? Or hate people just cause of their religion?
You claim you are christian but what you saying is just as bad as these muslim extremists I'm willing to even bet you don't even know one person
who isnt white and doesnt share the same views as you. I don't believe in any one god (I'm agnostic) have i turned my back to jesus? Am I going to
burn in hell while people like you full of hatred, fear and anger go to heaven? I highly doudt that.
I bet you are part of that church run by that dispicable family I can't remember their names but they always protest with their signs that say "god
hates fags" and stuff. I think people refer to them as americas most hated family. lol I live near san francisco and some of the idiots from that
church came here one year to protest something and they got their asses kicked by a bunch of gay guys... like literally beat into the ground people
were cheering them on and stuff... the cops didnt even really stop them ahahahahhaah. I don't like violence but I must say I completely agree with
what they did and it was a beautiful site (and im not gay by the way I have a wife and a daughter, but it still was nice to see people stand up to
those idiots)
And also to the mods this guys posts are FULL of hatred PURE hatred and racism... he even said a few things about gays... how in the hell is he
allowed to post this stuff? If you mods don't edit or delete his posts please explain to me why hes allowed to say that stuff? I'm sure these posts
anger more people than just me, and it isnt just his opionon hes posting he is posting HATE. Ever think maybe there is muslim people reading these
boards (and I'm sure there is) and would be offended by this?
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