Why does obama keep the islamic name?, page 2
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reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 02:55 PM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by Tentickles


That's exactly what it is.

"It sayunds funny!"

I could care less if our president was a purple luciferian. If he's doing us wrong, he's doing us wrong. All of which has nothing to do with Islam, but all to do with his alliances with banks and his never ending fight for corporate favoritism over the welfare of the citizens. No ALLAH, JESUS, or ELOHIM about it.


reply posted on 11-6-2009 @ 03:42 PM by masonwatcher
reply to post by Facefirst


How about the countless American heroes that were of Arab decent or Muslim and their Muslim last names? Since when did a name became a dirty word?

How about America's first jet fighter ace Major James Jabber?



With family roots in the village of Merjayoun, Lebanon, standing only 5 feet, 5 inches tall, and needing to wear glasses, James Jabara was an unlikely candidate to become a hotshot American fighter pilot. But he was, and he was one of the hottest, his country's first jet ace, and a triple ace in Korea. In the Air Force community, if not to the American public, he was a legend.

www.acepilots.com...




reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 10:57 AM by born-indigo
Originally posted by heliosprime


God — The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40). Allah is unknowable whereas the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171): “Believe in Allah and say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.”

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love — which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16).

Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).


www.apologeticsindex.org...

Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.


www.danielpipes.org...



All that you have proven to me with these quotations and websites is that:
A. Islam is different than Christianity- yep thats a given.
B. That he lived in a islamic country as a child.

I went to a catholic school when I was a kid because it was a lot better of a school than the other alternative, I was born and raised Jewish. I had to sit through seminary class. I also didn't pay attention and was acting like a child. What does that mean? Was I hiding my secret catholic agenda?

[edit on 12-6-2009 by born-indigo]


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 08:26 PM by desert
reply to post by heliosprime


Since a vote in America is private, I would posit that the guilty white leftist could just have easily have not voted for Obama in the privacy of the voting booth. McCain received 55% of white votes and even won more white female votes than Obama.

The idea of the guilty white leftist is a leftover of the baby boomer leftists. I do not find such "guilt" in young people. Obama received much support from younger voters, as well as support from demographics which had before voted Republican. Old guilty white leftists who would vote out of fear of being labeled racists (a subgroup of a subgroup...) were not responsible for his election.

Fear did play a part in electing Obama. People who feared where America was headed and/or feared personally for their job, their 401K, or disenfranchisement from American society or politics.

If someone is angry, ask what they are afraid of. For anger is often the result of fear. That is why those that stoke irrational fear, stoke unrighteous anger and its relative, hate. Jesus admonished his disciples not to fear; He admonished them not to hate. To act like Jesus Christ, to be Christian, would mean not to fear, not to hate. Fear and hate are not Christian values.

As far as really old leftists and values...even Bill Ayers has been married to the same woman for 37 years.


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 04:36 AM by heliosprime
reply to post by seagull



Please find me an Islamic founding father...........there is none.......Islam is a complete abomination to God. Electing an prez with islamic roots who recently claimed america is no longer a christian nation is an abomination to God, the founding fathers, and the millions of warriors who shed blood for this country. The blessings america once enjoyed have become curses just as indicated in Lev.

Obama has already destroyed a once blessed and great nation. Now the american people will suffer "leadership" all the way to nuclear hell at the hands of his islamic brothers........

Tollerance, such an evil and twisted word..........has lead to openly gay abominations, millions of murdered babies through abortion, a vastly growing central gov that will strangle the entire country with its insanity.

Gone forever are the days of "God Bless America" being sung from every large gathering of faithful americans. Even now the vile "call to prayer" can be heard in american cities, yet the ten comandments must be removed from sight...........

Gear-up america, the tribulation is at hand, perhaps obamassiah can save you? Save you to follow him into hell.............


reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 09:42 AM by seagull
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by heliosprime


I think you'll discover, should you bother to look, that most of our Founding Fathers were not practising christians/catholics, they were, infact, Deists.

It does not matter a whit what the Founding Fathers were in their own religious practises, they protected the Freedom of religion, any religion from just this sort of nonsense of "my god can beat up your god" (like it's a playground, or something...).

What's in a name? Your screen name for instance "Heliosprime". Helios? A name for the Sun in Greek, the god of the Sun...my, my, a bit heretical don't you think? Better watch that, or someone is going to accuse you of trying to subvert all of Christendom...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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