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The FACTUAL Evidence of Alien Existence You Need NOW

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Let's take something complex and simplify the answer.

1) Nazca Lines: Look at the images, the linear structures are apparent to be drawn "by the people of their day".......creating landmarks with the purpose of being viewable from the sky.

Images of Nazca lines seen here

What do the Nazca lines have in common with Modern Day Crop Circles?

a) They are land based landmarks

b) They are designed to be made viewable to the sky

c) They have symbolism in each structure

Now, what seperates the Nazca lines of an ancient existence to Modern Day Crop Circles?

a) The Nazca designs are primitive looking, and co-existent with the types of drawings that modern day scientists have excavated from caves. Basically, these designs are what you would expect from the culture of ancient times.

b) The designs within Crop Circles are Modern Day science, geometrical precise, and in most cases, the designs beyond the spherical images are usually symbols we identify in western culture.


Keep in mind, there have been hoaxers with subpar attempts at crop designs. They inevitable led credibility to the science behind TRUE crop circle formations.

So, let's put it together, that our civiliazations put these images together, designs that represent our current times.

However, like the pyramid, there is a missing link that "BINDS" the fact these landmark symbols exist, and, the fact that our civilizations take part in forming them, and that BINDING LINK is the "assistance with technology".

The Nazca lines display symbolic linear designs on ground, and one of an apparent "alien" type character along a mountainside. Who helped them and why?

The answer is the same as "Why does an American astronaut place a flag on the moon"?

The answer is simple, they are recognizable landmarks from space (provided you have the modern day Google satellite technology to zoom in to land from space).

Crop Circles go hand in hand with timing of UFO recovered technologies, and these technologies that were PROVIDED TO OUR CULTURES such as computers, cellphones, etc, are for COMMUNICATION .

We, not the extra-terrestrials are the designers of the Nazca lines and the real Crop Circles of today. We are using them to send messages to those in space who want to know more about our culture and habitat.

Just for fun, let's just say the recent crop circles depicting fish or a dragonfly, maybe it is our advertisment to them, "come on in for dinner, we have a plentiful season lol". In all seriousness however, we are using their technology now, to communicate with the visiting races from space.

The fact that our simple culture can go onto the net called Google and zoom in from space and see our cars on the street and yet NASA and SETI are "supposedly" only capable of receiving 1970's result photographs or radio transmissions is evidence of.....

"OUR SOCIETY IS TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER RACES, BUT YOUR AUTHORITY OF GOVERNMENTS FEELS YOU ARE NOT ADVANCED ENOUGH TO MENTALLY ACCEPT IT AS A DAILY FACT".

Anyways, the real question behind a crop circle is not "what are they trying to tell us", instead, it is "what are we trying to tell them". Think this one over hard!

And when you come to the realization that we are the ones trying to communicate outward to space, maybe then, we will realize that ONE CIRCLE IN PARTICULAR, finally, THEY DECIDED TO RESPOND TO US DIRECTLY.

THEIR ANSWER TO US

As scientists discovered, the message in the binary pie held out suggests a message to our civilization, and those words confirms "the gifts we were provided by other races for communication are not for OUR interests, it is for their interests".

Have a great day all, and don't forget to check out www.classcanada.com if you are interested in a grassroot justice movement




posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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What FACTUAL evidence do you have?? Where are the links? The two I see are to pictures and no factual evidence of what you are saying at all. Where did you come up with this??

edit: by facts I mean your theory. I know the Nazca Lines exist and I know all about that crop circle image. There are many threads on here about it. I will link some for you when I find them.

[edit on 6/9/2009 by mblahnikluver]



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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interesting. when was that crop circle made?



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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I mean the FACTUAL existence of the Nazca images as well as crop circles, and the obviousness of their origin, their design and their purposes.

As far as theory, it is not theoretical when scientists themselves explain the binary message in the alien designed circle.

Everything mentioned in the OP, is pure FACT.

I not once hypothized the meanings of the symbolism, the meaning behind them - only the person(s) who formed them know the intent of meaning.

Ancient Nazca's drew the landmark symbols in their style of their day, and the crop circles of today are drawn in symbolism which is current and modern to western culture, which is binary in nature produced with spherical and geometrical symbolism.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Lateralus51
interesting. when was that crop circle made?


In 2001, Link to video explaining the alien crop circle



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Evidence isn't proof of anything. It's just evidence. We don't really even know for what. You gotta connect the dots. Walk us through it. Point "A" (the evidence) to Point "B" (the "aliens," whatever you mean by that).

And just to make it harder here are two arguments you can't use to link the two things:

1. "It looks like (such and such), so it has to be (such and such)." It looks like an alien with a space helmet on, so that's what it has to be. Unless you're able to talk directly to the creator of the thing, you can't say for sure what it meant to them. Also, there is such a thing as imagination. Perhaps you've heard of it.

2. "It's obvious it can't be anything else." You can only prove a negative if you know everything in the entire universe that it couldn't be, so all you have left is theoretically the right answer. And since there's no way to know everything you don't know, that's just impossible.

So go on ahead. Connect those dots for us. Oh, and you might want to actually define what you mean by aliens before you get started. You don't want time travelers or tulpas messing up your thesis, now, do you?


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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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Nohup, your signature says it all, "If you're not a skeptic, you're a sucker".

I fully respect your position to question the post. However, although I can not travel back in time and meet the designer(s) of the alien image on a mountain in the Nazca terrain, to proove the post;

You my friend, can not proove anything in the post to be wrong.

Until you nohup, can connect the dots to proove it wrong, your skepticism is still only a skeptical view without any evidence to the contrary.

Meant as a reply in all due respect.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
Everything mentioned in the OP, is pure FACT.


No, it's not. You presented speculation and supposition, but you presented no facts. You speculated about the purpose of both the Nazca Lines (presenting an argument far outside that of any current understanding by archaeologists) and crop circles, but you presented no evidence for this. You claim the link you posted is evidence the aliens are responding to us, yet present no evidence for this.

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
You my friend, can not prove anything in the post to be wrong.


You are making an argument from ignorance argument, attempting to shift the burden of proof. Your supposition is not true simply because someone cannot prove it wrong. You burden of proof lies with you; thus far you have not provided evidence for your argument.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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DoomsdayRex, you ask for the facts behind the pictures, well, the best way to summarize this is the need for FACT back up is all over here at the ATS as well as the net.

The immediate reply to the post comes from "mblahnikluver" who says "I know the Nazca Lines exist and I know all about that crop circle image. There are many threads on here about it.

In otherwords, I don't need to bore people in the post with additional supporting facts they all know about anyway, since the supporting facts are in threads all over the ATS.


[edit on 9-6-2009 by PAYBACKCOMESSOON]

[edit on 9-6-2009 by PAYBACKCOMESSOON]



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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I think it is an interesting theroy.
I have always wondered why the Nazca Lines are so crude and the crop circles of today are so complex. It would make sense that they are both made by earthlings but how do you make the Nazca Lines without a plane or something really really tall?

I see your point but also would like some more dots connected. Simply out of interest, not to try to prove you wrong or disprove your theroy.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
In otherwords, I don't need to bore people in the post with additional supporting facts they all know about anyway, since the supporting facts are in threads all over the ATS.


You are equivocating. You are presenting a very specific claim, yet are not backing it up, telling us instead to go look for the evidence ourselves.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Okay DoomsdayRex. Give me your SPECIFIC questions that you want evidence to support the evidence and I will get to it in a few hours and provide them, to make it easy for people who do not want to do a basic search to find the supporting evidence. Fair?

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Topsy_Cret
It would make sense that they are both made by earthlings but how do you make the Nazca Lines without a plane or something really really tall?


Through very simple math, tools and surveying equipment; this was shown by Dr. Joe Nickell of the University of Kentucky. Source. The lines can be seen from nearby foothills. Source



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
Okay DoomsdayRex. Give me your SPECIFIC questions that you want evidence to support the evidence and I will get to it in a few hours and provide them, to make it easy for people who do not want to do a basic search to find the supporting evidence. Fair?


First off, do not act condescending to us. It is not the responsibility of the audience to find evidence to support your claim.

What evidence do you have that a) the Nazca Lines were built by anyone else than the Nazca, b) that either the Nazca Lines or crop circles are built by anyone for the purpose you describe.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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So let me get this right.

We have the tech but the population at large has been deemed unworthy for those things. I get that, five everyone a free energy generator and you can stake your life on it some deranged muppet will blow up the world with the technology. But that is besides the point. We have the tech to make those crop circles, on the other hand if you say we have the tech we ALSO have the communication tech. What is the use of man made crop circles to talk with aliens if we can pick up the [whatever] and speak with them directly?

Assuming that the crop circles are made with some advanced technology it would seem more logical that aliens are making them for the ones not able to talk to them directly, the general public. This could be the only way for those aliens to get information to us ALL and not just some shady organization with the fore mentioned 'cosmic telephone'


So no i cannot prove you wrong on the OP but you can't prove this one wrong on the same standards. In that case it is mere speculation and people should think for themselves which one is correct.

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posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Binary Disc Translation:

"BEWARE THE BEARERS OF
FALSE GIFTS AND THEIR
BROKEN PROMISES.
MUCH PAIN,
BUT STILL TIME.
BELIEVE THERE IS
GOOD OUT THERE
WE OPPOSE THE DECEIVERS"

If we suspend our disbelief to contemplate the (exo)political economy of this 'message' The implications are astounding. Off world civilizations therefore have a relationship with philosophy, meta-ethics, culture, mathmatics and apparently are sentient. By implication they also have pathos, and a penchant for altruism. Sounds a lot like us...



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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It doesnt seem fair to attack another on questioning you. Most threads on here people always ask for the evidence and where it came from. Not everyone knows about these and some believe it or not have never heard of these things. Yes there are threads on both these things but not in the context you are talking about. So we just want to know a little more about why you claim this and how you came to it and what you read to come to this.

I personally find it interesting he way you have put it and would like to know why. I personally believe some are man made and some are not. I look forward to seeing how you came to this.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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Interesting thread. I have a few questions though. Firstly, regarding this crop circle - what evidence is there that the specific one in question is indeed an extraterrestrial-response? - Second, what evidence is there to support the notion that the Crop Circle phenomena is that of an ongoing human creation to contact extraterrestrials? or is your concept slightly different than that?

Best regards,



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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I will simply say that this post should open the eyes to the symbolic landmarks and their purpose. One good question was asked, if we have the technology to make crop circles and we have the tech to communicate to other species, why the need for a crop circle.

Well, we have telephones and walkie talkies, yet we still advertise on billboards, etc., the answer to a crop circle is simple, "we may not know what the real message of intention is behind the circle formations, but we know they are there TO BE RECOGNIZED FROM ABOVE GROUND".

We can throw out all the "gimme proof" replies, but I merely ask, if someone believes I am wrong, then please...Proove it!

One thing I have learned, truth is dependent on the person making the statement. So, for those who recognize the obvious in this post, then great, and those who do not see the obviousness, well, you can not convince someone if they DO NOT want to be convinced.

Funny enough, someone in here thinks I am being condescending, when in fact, I am being fairly friendly to the skeptics.

In final, best wishes to the skeptics who challenge the post. One suggestion for the skeptics however; when you reply, at least put together some type of evidence to the contrary to balance the claim I am wrong.



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