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Originally posted by Jakes51
I still don't think your views on Jews are accurate and boarder the long drawn out stereotype from earlier generations. The Jews are no different than the Catholics, Muslims, or any other denominations. Some feel very strongly about their beliefs and will never change no matter what. For instance, the Catholics will never approve abortion, same sex marriage, or uncelibate priests. Are they an evil group because they are unwilling to cave in to what the mainstream wants? I would say no, because they are bound by their beliefs much like the Jews. I've known some Jews and seen compassion and sympathy in them.
However, many only see what the Jews are doing in Israel, and in that instant; they believe all are like that and that is simply not the case.
Originally posted by Amagnon
Originally posted by Jakes51
I still don't think your views on Jews are accurate and boarder the long drawn out stereotype from earlier generations. The Jews are no different than the Catholics, Muslims, or any other denominations. Some feel very strongly about their beliefs and will never change no matter what. For instance, the Catholics will never approve abortion, same sex marriage, or uncelibate priests. Are they an evil group because they are unwilling to cave in to what the mainstream wants? I would say no, because they are bound by their beliefs much like the Jews. I've known some Jews and seen compassion and sympathy in them.
However, many only see what the Jews are doing in Israel, and in that instant; they believe all are like that and that is simply not the case.
Judaism is a racist religion, it teaches that only those of the Jewish RACE - not faith are the special people. The whole religion is racist - and they have the audacity to call people racist and anti-semitic?
I don't hate them as a race - I am sure their are some who leave the teaching of Judaism and can be normal human beings - the religion is based on race, its a racist religion and has no place in the modern world.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Amagnon
Judaism isn't a racist religion.
It is a tribal religion.
There is no such thing as the Jewish race.
The House of Israel has adopted and assimilated people throughout its history.
Thousands of Egyptians during the Exodus and the descendants of Joseph and Asenath were incorporated at the time the Torah was given to Moses.
Edomites, Moabites and Ethiopians and others were incorporated over 2000 years ago.
Khazars near the Black Sea were adopted over 1000 years ago.
In modern times anyone from anywhere can accept the Covenant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Anyone from anywhere can accept the Torah and be adopted into the House of Israel.
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by JanusFIN
This whole thread is ridiculous. Many of you are just a bunch of the very racists and bigots that you claim you hate.
You have taken one mans statement and applied it to an entire race and the believers of two religions. That is racist and religious bigotry at its best.
I have seen many of JanusFin's posts during my time lurking on ATS and the majority of them are anti-jewish. So I guess you can be a racist on here as long as you are racist against the right group of people or bigoted against certain religions.
Then to go on to say you replaced God with UFO's just adds to the ridiculouness.
I am so sick of people trying to undermine religion by taking the hate speech of one man and trying to apply it to a whole religion or a whole race of people. That is Nazism at its finest.
Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by JanusFIN
This whole thread is ridiculous. Many of you are just a bunch of the very racists and bigots that you claim you hate.
You have taken one mans statement and applied it to an entire race and the believers of two religions. That is racist and religious bigotry at its best.
I have seen many of JanusFin's posts during my time lurking on ATS and the majority of them are anti-jewish. So I guess you can be a racist on here as long as you are racist against the right group of people or bigoted against certain religions.
Then to go on to say you replaced God with UFO's just adds to the ridiculouness.
I am so sick of people trying to undermine religion by taking the hate speech of one man and trying to apply it to a whole religion or a whole race of people. That is Nazism at its finest.
Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by JanusFIN
No,
No-one should kill, full stop.
Jesus Christ teaches about love.
Originally posted by hikix
Originally posted by JanusFIN
"I don't believe in Western morality," he wrote. "Living by Torah values will make us a light
Im really concerned about what the Torah actually says. I know the religious jews read it religiously (no pun intended) at my workplace. And I keep hearing stories about how the Torah is almost teaching Jews to think that any other race is sub-human.
Jews Are Called -- Man
The Distinction between Jews and Gentiles in Torah
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A Jew who kills a ger toshav* is not put to death for this by a Beit Din, as it is said: 'But if a man comes upon his neighbor with intent.' And it need not be said that he is not put to death for [the killing of] a Gentile. The same for one who kills the slave of another, or kills his own slave -- he is put to death for this, for the slave has already accepted upon himself commandments and is [therefore] included in the inheritance of G-d," and so the Tosaphot has written in the Talmud, Tractate Makkot 9a, s.v. k'savur.
In contrast, a ger toshav (and all the more so a Gentile) who killed a Jew, even unintentionally, is put to death, as we learned in chapter 2 of Tractate Makkot, mishnah 3, and in the Gemara there (9a), and as Maimonides wrote in chapter 5 of The Laws of a Murderer and Protecting Life, halacha 4: "A ger toshav who killed a Jew without intent -- even though he did it unintentionally, he is put to death."
. . . .
"…and it is called murder only concerning a Jew, as it is written: 'who murders his neighbor' -- the murder of one's neighbor is called murder, but the murder of a Gentile it is not called murder."
"One who pours it (annointing oil) on himself or on others is guilty. Is it possible that even if he poured it on an animal and utensils, and upon Gentiles who are like animals, or poured it on the dead, he is guilty? It is written: 'upon man's flesh it shall not be poured,' this excludes those whom I cannot call men."
"Abraham says: this is one of his opinions, and there is none inferior to it, for the Gentiles are like animals, they don't become impure and cannot defile, 'a people who are like asses,' 'behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket,' and the wind will blow them all away, and one who thinks of them as something [worthwhile] will gather the wind in his fist."
"Rav Shila saw a Jew who had sexual relations with a Gentile woman, and he gave him lashes. The Jew went to inform to the king. He said to them: 'There is one Jew who judges without the permission of the king.' The king sent for him and they said: 'Why did you act in such a manner?' Rav Shila answered: 'He had relations with a she-ass.' They asked: 'Do you have a witness?' He answered: 'Yes!' Elijah appeared as a human being and testified. They said: 'If so, his punishment is death.'
. . . . When he was about to leave, that Jew asked him: 'Does G-d perform miracles for liars?' Rav Shila answered: "Wicked one! Didn't I tell the truth? Aren't they called asses? As it is written: 'whose members are like those of asses'."
We have already mentioned the words of the Ra'avad with regards to an animal slaughtered by a Gentile: "for the Gentiles are like animals…and one who thinks of them as something [worthwhile] will gather the wind in his fist." It is clear that this is not a simple Halachic argument merely explaining why he disagrees with Maimonides on matters of Halacha, but rather the expression of an entire outlook concerning the Gentiles.
To the Kuzari king’s question "Why was the Torah not given to all mankind? Would it not have been better or more commensurate with Divine wisdom?" the Rabbi answers: "Would it not have been best if all the animals could speak? You have apparently forgotten what I said earlier concerning the genealogy of Adam's progeny: that at first the spirit of Divine prophecy rested on one person, who was chosen from his brethren, and inherited the merit of his father. It was he in whom the Divine light was concentrated. He was the kernel, while the others were as shells which had no share in that light. Thus it was until the sons of Jacob came, who all were the meritorious kernel, distinguished from all the other people by G-dly qualities, which made them, so to speak, an different genus --an angelic one. Each of them, Divine endeavored to attain the degree of prophecy, most of them succeeded in so doing; even those who were not successful were close to that degree in their pious acts, sanctity, purity, and interaction with the prophets."
So we see that the Jews, because of their special spiritual level, are considered to be a genus different from all the other people.
'You are the children of the Lord, your G-d'." The Maharal wrote in his commentary on Avot, . . . : "Even though it says 'Beloved is man,' this does not include all human beings, for Chazal said: 'You are called men and the nations are not called men' -- as though the completeness of the Creation, which is given to man in particular, is given to the Jews and not to the other nations…
In the book "Poked Akarim" page 19, column 3, he wrote: "Concerning what is explained in Yevamot, 'You are called men,' and not the other nations, [the meaning is] that the Gentiles were deprived of the title 'men' only where Israel were called 'men,' because in comparison to Israel, who are the primary form of man in the Divine Chariot, it is irrelevant to call any of the Gentiles 'men'; at most, they are like animals in the form of men. Taken as themselves, however, all the children of Noah are considered men…and when the Messiah comes…they too will recognize and admit that there are none called 'man' except Israel…anyway, in comparison to Israel even now they are in the category of animals…"
In the Tanya chapter 1 (page 5b) it is written: "The explanation of this matter is according to what the Rabbi Chaim Vital OBM wrote…that every Jew, whether he is righteous or wicked, has two souls, as it says, 'And the souls I have made' -- that is, two souls: one soul from the side of the klipa and Satan's camp… also naturally good character traits that are found in every Jew, such as mercifulness and charitable deeds, stem from it, for in the Jew, the soul of this klipa comes from klipat noga which also contains good…
But it is not the case concerning Gentile souls, for they stem from other impure klipot which contain no good…and the second soul of the Jew is surely part of G-d on high…" In the end of chapter 6 it is written: "The klipot are divided into two levels…the lower level consists of three impure and completely evil klipot which contain no good whatsoever…from there the souls of the Gentiles are influenced and drawn, as are the bodies and the souls of all impure animals which are forbidden to eat…
However, the vital animalistic soul in the Jews, which stems from the klipa…and the souls of pure animals, beasts, birds, and fish which are permitted to eat…are influenced and drawn from the second level of the klipot…which is called klipat noga…and the majority of it is evil, combined with a slight amount of good…"
Originally posted by grapesofraft
This whole thread is ridiculous. Many of you are just a bunch of the very racists and bigots that you claim you hate.
You have taken one mans statement and applied it to an entire race and the believers of two religions. That is racist and religious bigotry at its best.
I have seen many of JanusFin's posts during my time lurking on ATS and the majority of them are anti-jewish. So I guess you can be a racist on here as long as you are racist against the right group of people or bigoted against certain religions.
Then to go on to say you replaced God with UFO's just adds to the ridiculouness.
I am so sick of people trying to undermine religion by taking the hate speech of one man and trying to apply it to a whole religion or a whole race of people. That is Nazism at its finest.
Originally posted by mmiichael
Originally posted by grapesofraft
This whole thread is ridiculous. Many of you are just a bunch of the very racists and bigots that you claim you hate.
You have taken one mans statement and applied it to an entire race and the believers of two religions. That is racist and religious bigotry at its best.
I have seen many of JanusFin's posts during my time lurking on ATS and the majority of them are anti-jewish. So I guess you can be a racist on here as long as you are racist against the right group of people or bigoted against certain religions.
Then to go on to say you replaced God with UFO's just adds to the ridiculouness.
I am so sick of people trying to undermine religion by taking the hate speech of one man and trying to apply it to a whole religion or a whole race of people. That is Nazism at its finest.
Bravo, and wonderfully articulated.
Of course many won't get it because they're just here to reinforce their hatred at a racist glee club meeting with the topic of the day some nut bar's comment in a speech.
If the OP were to search so hard online for comments by Imams where they encourage the murdering of Jews, he would be starting new threads 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
And the people reading this would not bother looking at them.
Jew hatred is a hot topic among the self-righteously ignorant.
Back to feeding time at the zoo.
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