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AP sources: House Dems favor insurance requirement

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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AP sources: House Dems favor insurance requirement


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Democrats drafting health care legislation are considering slapping an unspecified financial penalty on anyone who refuses to purchase affordable health insurance, officials said Monday.

These officials, who include both Democrats and lobbyists briefed on the emerging proposal, also said top lawmakers may call for a new tax on certain health insurance benefits as one of numerous options to help pay for expanding coverage to the uninsured.
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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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HOLY CRAP..!! Lobbyists at it again..!! Now there will be a compulsory health insurance law that is enforced by fines. If they cannot afford health insurance how can they afford fines? This is a violation against poor people.

I am almost speachless over this.

Flag this to the top this is real bad news..!!!

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(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was a New York senator at the time as well as a presidential candidate, said a mandate was essential. At one point, she said she was open to garnisheeing the wages of anyone who refused to comply.


Garnisheeing wages...??? Are you serious..? How on earth can they sleep at night. This is not benificial to the people. I feel the most enraged ever about this administration now that this news has come out. The quote above is from the same source story.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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crazy isn't it?
makes some aspects of socialism not seem so bad.
i'd like to see what they consider "affordable healthcare".



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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I don't understand how they can think this is OK when insurance companies are run for profit. It is the same thing with auto insurance they can charge whatever they want because you can't drive without it and public transit barely even exists in parts of the country. I can imagine how good I will feel when I am forced to pay for insurance who denies me coverage, it's enough to make you go bonkers!



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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crazy isn't it?
makes some aspects of socialism not seem so bad.
i'd like to see what they consider "affordable healthcare".


I'm just wondering did you even read the article? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your comment, or something else.

But government run health care, insurance, fits cleanly under the category of Socialism. In fact the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the one that proposed that if parents don't buy insurance for there children then there wages will be garnished.

If this isn't a wake up call to everybody that wants government insurance/health care, that it is nothing but a power grab then you people are truly asleep.

This is the way I look at it. You can't pay your medical bills your credit rating gets screwed, you have a hard time getting a loan. If you don't pay into the government system they will dock your paycheck. Your name will probably also go into a computer system and you don't get treated.

I'm sorry, but I don't want people like, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Murtha, Arlen Spector, John Bohner, etc dictating what kind of health care I receive.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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This could also be a new stepping stone to garnisheeing wages for your compulsory liability insurance for your vehicle. Would it not be considered a new tax if the government takes it from your check? This is plain BS that they would even consider this, none the less fast track it.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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If you don't want the Gov to force healthcare on you don't let them. Hillary Clinton is only one person, and her word isn't the law of the land. Unless of course the people allow her word as law which is what has been happening huh?

As much as the Gov wishes that they run the place as they have scared society into believing lets get real people.

Washington DC is only one city, the rest of the country is way bigger.

If you want to make the Gov play OUR game just quit listening to them, but not with violence.

Easy Solution: If the Gov decides to make everyone HAVE TO HAVE some sort of health insurance just laugh in their faces and say no thanks.

Whats the worst that could happen? The handful of lawmakers in DC come arrest us all? hahahahahaha, that would seriously make me laugh if they tried.

Non violence is always the key.

I say if the go head with this, the people on ATS work on a massive Gov sit out.

Just a non violent solution, that's all



[edit on 8-6-2009 by GeechQuestInfo]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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Ridiculous.

I'm beyond words, here. Figures that the government would corrupt something like universal healthcare into another way to line the pockets of their corporate backers while also extending control over the populace.

If you can't afford their mandatory, private insurance policies...how can they expect you to be able to afford a fine or garnishing of your wages?

Not what I had in mind as far as universal healthcare goes. I really, really hope it doesn't come to pass but if it does we've got to figure out some way to peacefully combat this.

Whatever. I'll be waiting and watching.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by GeechQuestInfo
If you don't want the Gov to force healthcare on you don't let them. Hillary Clinton is only one person, and her word isn't the law of the land. Unless of course the people allow her word as law which is what has been happening huh?

As much as the Gov wishes that they run the place as they have scared society into believing lets get real people.

Washington DC is only one city, the rest of the country is way bigger.

If you want to make the Gov play OUR game just quit listening to them, but not with violence.

Easy Solution: If the Gov decides to make everyone HAVE TO HAVE some sort of health insurance just laugh in their faces and say no thanks.

Whats the worst that could happen? The handful of lawmakers in DC come arrest us all? hahahahahaha, that would seriously make me laugh if they tried.

Non violence is always the key.

I say if the go head with this, the people on ATS work on a massive Gov sit out.

Just a non violent solution, that's all



[edit on 8-6-2009 by GeechQuestInfo]


i like how you said non violence is the key. it really is, the biggest reason the government can take away our rights is when people who are "trying to fight for our rights" do it violently, it just makes them look like crazy people.


however, i do feel that after awhile people can only be non violent for so long.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by zooplancton
crazy isn't it?
makes some aspects of socialism not seem so bad.


That may actually be the point.



i'd like to see what they consider "affordable healthcare".


Anything provided by the government and for which they tax the bejeebuz out of productive members of society.

Just sayin'.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by kreinhard
Anything provided by the government and for which they tax the bejeebuz out of productive members of society.Just sayin'.


My government health care now runs me about $400 a year...income based, maximum $900 (earning more that 200k/y)

I don't consider that excessive, even though the Liberals told us they wouldn't introduce new taxes....which is why we call them the Fiberals.

Extended health care costs me a little more...dental, orthodics, drugs, glasses...split with my employer.

Heck of a deal...nobody denies me squat, paid $32 extra to get cured of cancer.

Cry about socialism all you want...I sure wouldn't swap my Universal Health Care for a carry permit.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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Yes Benny, we are in the Twilight Zone.

I just can't believe how all of this is shaping up! I knew it was going to be bad but s**t!!!


Alongside those efforts, financing Obama's plan to spread coverage more widely carries a price tag estimated at higher than $1 trillion over a decade. House Democrats are considering cutting projected Medicare payments to home health care, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, hospitals and others to cover costs.


Do away with Medicare for the elderly so they can fund some of this socialist crap!

Oh, and while we're at it, let's hit it hard!


Equally troublesome politically is the issue of a government insurance option. Critics argue it would render private companies unable to compete, and it has emerged as a key sticking point in the Democratic search for a bipartisan plan in the Senate.


Free enterprise a way of the past.


Obama proposed requiring parents to buy health insurance for children, with a possible fine if parents refused. But he would not insist that all adults buy insurance.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was a New York senator at the time as well as a presidential candidate, said a mandate was essential. At one point, she said she was open to garnisheeing the wages of anyone who refused to comply.


Fine them and garnish their wages is they don't comply with the dictator.

I hate them more and more...



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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Speaking for myself (can't say I do for the other poster) I have no problem with socialism or universal healthcare. Heck, I think a mixed socialist-capitalist society would be the bomb.

But the problem I'm finding with this is that rather than being provided by the government, they want to force people to buy private insurance, which is usually a scam in and of itself. And, if you don't buy their mandatory insurance policy, you get fined.

Either you lose money and your record is f'ed up, or else you have to become an unwilling member of the heinous insurance companies' games. I'd prefer something more like Canada's system, not this perversion they have planned out.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Romantic Rights
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But the problem I'm finding with this is that rather than being provided by the government, they want to force people to buy private insurance, which is usually a scam in and of itself. And, if you don't buy their mandatory insurance policy, you get fined.



Nah, that's not what's going to happen. The government will run all of the insurance companies out of business. Private industry can't compete with the US government and THAT'S the problem. Think about the information that the government will have on you - your entire medical history. Do you really want the same government, who's shown how "careful" they can be with private information, responsible for your private information? How do you know how that information will be used - will you have a say over how it's used???? No you won't.

This is Orwellian.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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They cant force it, can they? This is america, where yuo have the choice to have medical insurnace or not..my health is not supopsed to be thier concern..them doing their job and running congress is..not making a money making cash register out of all of us...
FREEDOM OF CHOICE FED>>>time you all theri re learn what ameica and OUR freedom is supposed to be all about



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman The government will run all of the insurance companies out of business. Private industry can't compete with the US government and THAT'S the problem. Think about the information that the government will have on you - your entire medical history. Do you really want the same government, who's shown how "careful" they can be with private information, responsible for your private information?


The insurance companies should be run out of business...hell run out of town on a rail. They've been screwing you and smilin'!!!

Forget about the paranoid crap...the info the government has on you...the rest of the civilized world is making it work. Why so you think Americans are incapable of taking care of each other. Storm your freaking reps...don't ask, demand!!

For crying out loud...is this government by Eeyore??



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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People doesn't get it, before Obama started to propose his health care bill for all he went into closed doors with all the major health insurance in the nation.

This is not about government insurance open your eyes an see the deception this about private insurance making sure that they get a milking cow of every American in the nation to support their agendas with full support of the government.

This health care insurance is no free but taking into consideration that millions lies destitute and unemployed the people that still earn something will be the ones that the insurance companies will be milking the most, [b0just like the credit card bankruptcy laws that Bush enacted that gave the right to credit card companies to go after your wages if you don't pay.

People think that America is becoming socialist that this nothing but socialist ideas, sorry to burst your bubble but what you are witnessing is the power of corporate greed now running government in the name of the people.

Just step back and start looking everything government is doing with a corporate point of view in power.

Wake up we are becoming nothing but milking cows.

[edit on 8-6-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Yep, we are being set up for the government to give us all housing and jobs, then we will be forced to do what they want. Of course they will make it sound all peachy and daffodils and roses, but in reality they won't even have to throw us in jail anymore, they just will reach into our bank accounts and take whatever it is they want.

They won't get that far though.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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My god, can we vote these ass-clowns out of office yet?

I mean, it would be one thing to try and create a single-payer system like the rest of the civilized world has. It would be another thing to try and work with the insurance companies to bring prices down for lower income families. But to levy fines on all the families who are already too poor to afford health care is moronic!


Congress,

Either create a nationalized, single-payer plan that automatically includes all citizens,

or,

Don't do a #ing thing!


Our system is beyond repair. Any thing they attempt to do to it (short of revamping the entire system) will just make things even worse.



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