Rocket Man: Wernher von Braun or Peter Van Dresser, page 1

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Topic started on 8-6-2009 @ 01:03 PM by TeslaandLyne

Secrets are the best Disinformation and Deflection so if this story
is a secret then its Disinformation and Deflection.

A well know figure in his own right Peter Van Dresser organized the
Rocket Society. Illuminati forces brought in Dr. Goddard who knew little
of past research. Ever get the 'new' boss at work, you know how it is.

Also working in rocketry in 1930s New Mexico, was the late Peter Van Dresser, who was the originator of “Van Dresser’s Constant”, a mathematical constant which von Braun and others used to calculate the trajectory of rockets fired into England and Antwerp. Van Dresser was bitter and disgruntled about the fact that Dr. Robert Goddard not only got all the credit for pioneer rocket research, but also had “collaborated with the Nazis”, via his pre-war work with von Braun, while he, Van Dresser, had done more important research, had no truck with the Nazis, and had gotten very little, if any, of the credit. According to Van Dresser, his rockets worked, and Goddard’s fizzled, at least in the early thirties. Van Dresser used solid fuel, and Goddard liquid fuel. Van Dresser did his research independently, on his own resources, being unsupported by either the U.S. or Nazi government. And, Van Dresser was a Jewish-American. If anyone ever saw the movie “Gadget”, and remembers the guy who strapped a rocket on his back and fired it off while he was on ice skates, that was Peter. One must admit that, although the rocket knocked him on his ass and caught his pants on fire, it damn well worked! And at least he had the guts to try it out himself, right in front of a movie camera. Little did he know that he would become a part of a movie showing the wildest creations of funny inventors. Peter was very embarrassed to admit that the “rocketeer” in the film was him, because it was one of those great, yet very embarrassingly funny moments in the progress of science. I saw the movie with Peter and his wife, Florence, whom he nudged in the ribs when she exclaimed, “Oh Peter!...that’s one of your’s!”. So von Braun, Goddard, and the F.B.I. all saw to it that Hitler got “p2” safely to Germany. And then they traded it back to us if we’d give safe conduct to some of the criminal arch-socialists who led the German people down the primrose path to the grisly holocaust and the ghastly tribunal at Nuremberg, which left such an ugly blemish on the “German national memory”. Let’s take a closer look at this situation.

Part of the secrets in: "Pentagon Aliens"

Also with some repetition:

The fact that I was a personal friend to an American rocket scientist named Peter van Dresser, who was angered by Dr. Robert Goddard’s pre-war work with von Braun, and who was present in New Mexico since the ‘20’s and was intimately familiar with the 1930’s liaisons to von Braun’s secret Los Alamos activities, left little remaining to be proven, since there is no longer any security basis for concealing such liaisons, if “rocket research” was the only thing von Braun’s pre-war American presence involved. He had already been appointed as the Peenemunde project research leader, and had been promoted by Hitler and Himmler to Ubersturmbannfuehrer in the SS, and was given a “leave of absence” by Hitler to make the venture to America. Dr. Robert Goddard, whose New Mexico laboratory was at Mescalero, with his launch area at Eden Valley, near Roswell, far to the south, was not involved in any known pre-WWII research at Los Alamos, and probably knew nothing of von Braun’s secret project there.

Part of the secrets from "Ether Physics"

This is classic erasure of history of lies in textbooks and any number
deflections. I invite you to read on as Teleforce and Tesla become
secret. Peter and von Braun are just the barely visible parts.

reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 04:01 PM by TeslaandLyne

Interesting how hidden history might play a part in today.
I don't have too much more material although in discussions or
otherwise buried in those documents there might be more information.

Peter van Dresser was a co founder of the rocket society.
I don't know the other founder.

Solid fuel rockets was stated as his specialty yet the improvement
in liquid fuel rocket performance was attributed to his design.
Running the fuel around the nozzel, still used today, to bring more
powerful combustion gave the V2 more range when incorporated.

Just as books and film footage might disappear, I recall WWII film
footage giving the boost idea to a German officer.
Given there were things to hide, is there a correction required here.
Perhaps only the parties long gone know for sure.

As with Willy Ley there might only be history in their personal file
after these events. Peter should have known Willy as a rocket
society participant, for Germany, who defected to America to
become a naturalized citizen. Willy an expert in microwaves
one proved some fact to Hitler and perhaps had to get away when
the opportunity arrived. Werner Von Braun was Willy Ley's
replacement. Young and given much authority in Germany helped
to ensure his return with very desirable secretes of the rocket
engine and perhaps of what made the Foo/Phoo fly.

reply posted on 12-6-2009 @ 08:30 PM by TeslaandLyne

A interesting use of V2 with a ship:

One by the German navy or Kreigsmarine concentrated on two concepts. Submersible Lafferenz capsules for V-2 rockets which were to be towed to near New York and the other for a nuclear powered version of the type XXI u-boat, which was the direct inspiration for the US Navy's nuclear submarines.

from here

More about the sub:

Unfortunately for the U-Boat service but fortunately for the allies, the war ended after only two of the new Type-XXIs had managed to clear harbor for patrol. They were captured and confiscated in port by the Allied militaries. Their design, however, lent a great deal to the first generation of true submarines, the nuclear-powered ships sailed by the American and Soviet navies.

from here

Conspiracy theories debate on how many sub with almost 'nuke'
capabilities with Tesla generators from plans since 1914.
Also the exact nature of this generator went unknown to all up to perhaps
twenty years ago and went classified.

Better Warfare technology and weapons and funding helped conquer
the Czars and Napoleon and will continue with the Illuminati.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:59 PM by TeslaandLyne

Of great note on Werner Von Braun after arriving in America was
his work at GE.

Bill Lyne, the original UFO hunter, found high voltage parts in
a salvage yard with GE manufacturing. Finding loose parts
like a 1943 Nazi compass of 30 degree directions for saucer flight
keeps the theories going.

Thus for someone with theories connecting UFO saucers with
electrical coils from Tesla designs, finds a reason why Von
Braun would be a GE.

The 1950s UFO flights over the Capitol building was a show of
von Braun's job well done.

reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 10:50 PM by JBA2848

Im not sure how accurate the claims made in these articles are but I found them interesting.

The FBI Files of Werhner Von Braun--Part 1

This part about his brother really caught my eye.

El Paso Division, FBI

Special Inquiry

Major Hamill advised that Magnus von Braun, the brother of Werhner, sold a bar of platinum for $100. ... He admitted he had brought the bar to the United States in violation of the customs laws. Major Hamill stated that when this matter was brought to the attention of Werhner von Braun ... he administered a severe beating to his brother.

Major Hamill stated that from his conduct he had always thought Werhner von Braun to be very honorable ... and the violation of the trust by his brother and subsequent action strengthened his view.

reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 02:33 PM by TeslaandLyne

reply to post by JBA2848

Thanks.
Good find.
Shows that von Braun did not need unwanted snooping around by
authorities that might find some of his notes.
There is a saucer drawing circulating the net of what looks to
me like a VW Bug outfitted to fly the Tesla way.
Even has German writing to identify parts that people say are
von Braun hand writing.
Interesting.
But what if found during investigating his brother.

We can't say if the brother would know what von Braun did
in the 30s.
People said William Turbo rode with Tesla in a car he devised
but they were wrong and he would only know through family stories.

Having illegal possession of another kind can hamper the free energy
enthusiast as carrying isotopes is a terror act as well as sensibly
illegal unless sanctioned by authorities. Isotopes can generate
current but that not the way to go for the free energy research.

An illegal possession like kind, a precious mental like gold, has restrictions
on who can buy and sell and in what form. A few people out west
may still have access to hidden gold.
See Dr Noss and Peak Victorino
A few try to involve unsuspecting citizens to sell their finds.

Sure thing Wernher von Braun didn't want his brother drawing
any attention to what other things they might be doing.

reply posted on 18-2-2012 @ 09:25 PM by sy.gunson

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

General Dornberger revealed that he and von Braun went to Lisbon for secret surrender talks as early as October 1944 and again in December 1944. Without the highest sanction this would have been an act of treason. I would have liked to quizz Von Braun himself about that. Dornberger was secretly recorded in British internment after the war and disclosed that talks were held with two men from General Electric. he disclosed it at C.S.D.I.C. camp 11.

Dornberger also disclosed that Hitler intended the V-2 warheads to have something more powerful than a ton of explosives.

Also on the thread of general electric, that company was a large stake holder in AEG, Osram and Seimens plus a big contributer to the Nazi party.

General Electric raised capital on Wall Street to finance production of the V-2. On it's behalf, AEG purchased the privatised Penemunde test centre and reformed it as Elektro Mechanische Werke or EMW. Then it sold it's patent rights to the V-2 to US Army ordnance for project ORDCIT. Roosevelt at the time was the biggest shareholder in General Electric.

reply posted on 19-2-2012 @ 11:28 PM by TeslaandLyne

reply to post by sy.gunson

GE didn't do well in the first US jet plane.
Well GE and Von Braun would make sense if any Tesla science was involved.
William Lyne author of "Pentagon Alines", giving the history of Tesla and much
of present day evaluations since 1945, thinks Von Braun replaced Willy Ley in
the Rocket Society in New Mexico started by Van Dresser and up to Army
ownership with Dr Goddard as head. In the late 30s before WWII Von Braun
not only acquired rocketing designs but also the Tesla ship design. The Tesla
ship being the most sought after gem for space travel.

GE funded a TV show hosted by the would be President Ronald Reagan that
started with amazing lightning displays the sort Tesla would produce to show
how to acquire maximum voltage applied to the ether. Lyne found high voltage
switches and devices in salvage yards used by government agencies that
would apply to Tesla force wave production and space ship flight.

reply posted on 20-2-2012 @ 06:17 PM by sy.gunson

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by sy.gunson

GE didn't do well in the first US jet plane.
Well GE and Von Braun would make sense if any Tesla science was involved.
William Lyne author of "Pentagon Alines", giving the history of Tesla and much
of present day evaluations since 1945, thinks Von Braun replaced Willy Ley in
the Rocket Society in New Mexico started by Van Dresser and up to Army
ownership with Dr Goddard as head. In the late 30s before WWII Von Braun
not only acquired rocketing designs but also the Tesla ship design. The Tesla
ship being the most sought after gem for space travel.

GE funded a TV show hosted by the would be President Ronald Reagan that
started with amazing lightning displays the sort Tesla would produce to show
how to acquire maximum voltage applied to the ether. Lyne found high voltage
switches and devices in salvage yards used by government agencies that
would apply to Tesla force wave production and space ship flight.

General Electric was intimately connected with project ORDCIT to develop ballistic missiles for USA. General Electric was a big funder of the Nazis and was the largest shareholder in AEG which in July - August 1943 took over Germany's privatised V-2 project and funded the building of Mittlewerk where thousands of slave labourers were pressed to work in an underground factory, where many thousands died.

Gerald Swope and Zay Jeffries are two prominent GEC people who were involved with the Nazis. Interestingly the Manhattan Project's Chairman Arthur Compton was involved in GEC too. FDR was a key shareholder.

GEC acquired rights to the V-2 rocket by raising capital for an OSRAM light bulb factory in Brazil in 1943 and then diverting the funds through a bank in Lisbon.

US big business paid for the V-2s which rained down on London in 1944. I am surprised there has never been a class action by UK relatives of those lost to V-2 attacks.

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