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Originally posted by seagrass
Foundations are symbolic and literal. The beginning of most cycles of growth need to be solid and/or healthy for most things to have a fighting chance. It makes sense to me. But then genetically some are naturally stronger in certain abilities. Some communication is a focus, others their needs, others social purpose.. But the basics are represented in that model for a strong inner world. Now the next 4 circuits are an outward expression of those on the physical world?
My cats know that they are fed around the same time, and they react at the same time every day. So this might actually be a social function developed specifically in relation to living in a human environment. Which makes sense for a social animal like a dog or even a cat to adapt to social structures outside its norm.
Drugs and near death experiences as well. This is a necessary experience in my opinion. Pleasure and pain are experienced in order for contrast. I don't know if I agree that a spiritual experience of pleasure or agony requires that we think "we are not the body" but that we can control the body. That the body does not rule us. That we can experience states that seem outside of it. This is where we learn a mental state can change how we perceive pain and ecstasy. It gives us control, and therefore a feeling of connectedness to spiritual states of awareness. Somewhat primitive, but yes, I think it is a beginning stage on the journey of consciousness. This would fall in the 8th and 9th houses of death, dying, transformation, spiritual states, and higher concepts of spirituality. Religious tradition and risk taking for pleasure and adventure: associated Pluto, Jupiter and Neptune. But still remains more of a technique to reach it.
Circuit 5 - Agony and Ecstasy: This is the initial circuit in most spiritual journeys. Instigated by sex, dancing, chanting, drumming, 'sweating', self-flagellation, mutilation... In other words, excessive stress on the body and mind. It is the first stage that says to the experiencer, "You are not the body".
Sounds like nothing and everything at the same time. There is no house for that in traditional astrology as I know it. A concept that would fall in or under the idealistic or altered states of the energy of Neptune. Neptune is ruled by Pisces so oneness such as this would fall in the 12th house.
Circuit 7 - Harmony and Oneness: This furthers the previous circuit, focusing the mind from quiet to stillness. In this stillness is often found a total sense of belonging, a lack of separation from everything, demonstrating once and for all that you are not the body. It is often referred to as 'enlightenment'.
This is not a concept that falls within traditional astrology, but is implied through topics such as karma and past lives. This is a goal imo. Something rarely reached or connected by most people on a conscious level. This would encompass the entire chart.. all charts one has ever lived and will live. As a collection of experience.. and then who knows what all else we don't understand about the nature of our connectedness to all.
Circuit 8 - Higher Self: In the Leary/Wilson model this circuit is referred to as the Non-Local Quantum Circuit, the Meta-Programmer. The you that is not you. That appears to reside outside the body, on another dimension, another plane.
Originally posted by seagrass
These concepts veer away from the traditional 'outer world' descriptions of astrological houses and become more the techniques involved within one or two of them.
or the spira mirabilis and Pi, a process building on itself, expanding. Growth over time and experience. Nautilus.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Originally posted by seagrass
These concepts veer away from the traditional 'outer world' descriptions of astrological houses and become more the techniques involved within one or two of them.
Thank you once again for your insight
Yes, the upper 4 circuits seem to deal much more with transformative concepts and ideals. Appear to be more malleable. Where the lower 4 seem to be based solidly in emotional responses and material/physical interpretation. The ideas almost seem to turn in on themselves as they move upward. Rather like a Mobius strip, or infinity symbol.
Originally posted by seagrass
or the spira mirabilis and Pi, a process building on itself, expanding. Growth over time and experience. Nautilus.
And there are an infinite number of paths to get there. There is no golden road, except to say that the road is always there, finding it takes time and practice.. but the destination is inevitable.. imo.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
reply to post by seagrass
I completely agree. We can describe it in infinite ways and still we are talking about the same destination. One of the greatest truths of my life is knowing that we all create our own map of the territory we tread.
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Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Here is a link that should be interesting for those interested in astrology.
Astrology and the 8 Circuit Model
If the general conception of archetypes and circuits outlined in the previous post is correct, then astrology should be a map of the same territory. The core elements of astrology should match up with the core elements of the eight circuits, just as the archetypes did. Otherwise, one of the theories is deeply wrong or incomplete.