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Court rejects challenge to 'don't ask, don't tell'

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Court rejects challenge to 'don't ask, don't tell'


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court on Monday agreed with the Obama administration and upheld Pentagon policy barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.
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During last year's campaign, President Barack Obama indicated he supported the eventual repeal of the policy, but he has made no specific move to do so since taking office in January. Meanwhile, the White House has said it won't stop gays and lesbians from being dismissed from the military.
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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Either way if you support or do not support this move, you must agree on one very important part of this. This article gives proof one more time to the fact that this administration lies just like the others. Every policy that the "Obama" administration has said it will change, has remained unchanged. There will be no change, only illusions of change.

I also personally think that this goes to prove that there is some one else who calls the shots. If there was not some other entity then why can these guys not change anything?

I guess the real question is who are they scared of?

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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NO CHANGE

Is this a surprise to anyone really? All Obama is doing is setting himself up to be a 1 term President. He is not even a real President. He's just a new world order President. He was elected by the people and now he's showing that he doesn't even care about the people who elected him. There is one thing with what he said about putting action above ideology... and... there is another of putting ideology below action... and Obama is certainly not acting as a President for the people.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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Has anyone built up a list of unfullfilled promises by this administration? I am real interested in how many things they have either reversed their opinion on or flat out ignored.

It is funny now also to hear the lies of a fast economic recovery. If they are lying about so many other things then one should believe that they are lying about the economy.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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so gay's can't join

this means that if there's ever a national draft, it will be time to expand your horizons.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Actually, gays can join the military all they want.

They just can engage in illegal sexual acts (and get caught), can profess that they are gay, and can't marry someone of the same sex.

There are probably 10's of thousands of gays in the military, quietly serving their country and not making a big deal of their sexuality.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Being gay and doing sexual acts isn't illegal... well technically. I'm not gay... but if you were gay... and you wanted to tell some people that you were gay... if you weren't able to tell a close friend of yours that you were gay wouldn't that make you act unnatural?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Even if the millitary reversed it's stance on this issue, would it not open up a new can of worms? I would think that they would then have to build new barracks. After all you cannot let troops get excited about seeing each other shower.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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You are assuming that gay/lesbians would be openly doing sexual acts on other men. I don't think they're stupid... and they have common sense just like the rest of us. I think that gay people would be able to adjust their behavior when they are in the military for the time being. Don't you?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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No, I am assuming that when I see a beautiful naked female, I get excited. There fore if some one sees the sex that they preffer naked, then they will more than likely get excited.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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ya but that's not the point
it's not about "performing" sexual acts necessarily

voyeurism is an issue is it not?

gay dudes might have fun seeing other men in the shower

I mean listen, no offense to anyone, please don't think im a chauvinist pig.. but...
If there was an organization where I would take showers with thousands of women I would join in a heartbeat.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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Does it really auprise anyone that a politician.... suprise, lied?

They all do it, we all know they do it. none are above others. find a politician that does not lie and there is no way they will be in politics for long.

So of course Obama went back on what he said he was gonna do.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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I wouldn't be the critic of the "Obama" administration if it weren't for the droves of people that allowed themselves to be brainwashed into voting for him. No I am not surprised a polititian lied.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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I also personally think that this goes to prove that there is some one else who calls the shots. If there was not some other entity then why can these guys not change anything?


Or this proves that you can only do so much due to time and political limitations. Despite what the media and everybody else say I personally don't take everything that comes out of Obama's to be a promise. Or at least I didn't during his campaign. It's more of a time to let people know what you believe and what you plan to do. It's politics, things change and I realize that even if you are the president there are political limitations to what you can and cannot do. That's just me. It's ok though, everybody else can be disappointed.

Also, from a military standpoint the don't ask don't tell policy is not always exactly what people think on the inside. When I served we had several people in my unit that were gay. I am not going to go as far as to say "openly" gay but we did all know. I think today the don't ask to policy is used mostly as a reason to kick someone out if they are having problems or even military politics. I have never seen anyone kicked out sololy because they told someone they were gay. I have seen people set things up to get caught in the act which got them kicked out (which was their goal).



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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Yes it's politics but you cannot totaly change against your running campaign as the "Obama" administration has. As for the gays in the military, I will hold fast to my statement above that thy should be in segragated barraks.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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As much as people like to make Military issues into civilian issues, I say good. The Military Est. itself should be the only ones making decisions on Military protocal. I dont even think that the president himself should should be able to tell the military of all groups how to run what they have been capable of doing for hundreds of years. You mess with the way that they do buisness, you mess with everyones lives. You know that saying*Dont try to fix something that is not broke*. (Just because they have dont ask/dont tell) does not mean anything is broke). If you are a civilian, and have never been military,try joining the military, just so you can see how differently they really live their lives compared to yours. You WONT ever know, and I dont even care how many great granparents you have that have done it, you still havent. The only people in my opinion that should be dealing with these issues are the Military personel themselves, nobody else.

You have a mom and a dad//the mom is your govt, and your dad is the military. Your mom does her thing, dad does his thing, and sometimes they do it together. But never does mom tell dad how to do his buisness, and never does dad tell mom how to do hers(happy relationship). But now, we have not only mom trying to tell dad how to do his buisness, but the children(the civilians) are now involved pulling dads pant leg saying"stop the torture". The kid nor the mom have any clue as to what dad is having to put up with right now, but he complys anyway because he doesnt wanna have to blow up and put everyone in check.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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The Spartans did pretty well for a while. I guess there have been homosexuals in the military almost as long as there has been a military.

[sarcasm]I guess people don't like it when they are told that homosexuals have been fighting for their freedoms, I mean, aren't homosexuals scum of the earth and useful for nothing more than target practice?
So having a homosexual save you would be the last straw for some people.
Dirty filthy bundles of sticks, how dare they. [/sarcasm]

Unfortunately, it seems people do think like that. I would say, from talking with friends 'in the know' that heterosexual people think about sex more often than homosexuals.

I think if anybody wants to to stupid enough to join the military, sexual orientation is the least of their worries.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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I personally have no issues with any orientation of any person in the millitary. I just do not think it is right to have some one looking over their shoulder thinking some one is looking at them in a sexual way. Separate barracks would be an easy solution. I do not feel that sexual orientation or gender prohibits one from doing their job in the military.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
. I just do not think it is right to have some one looking over their shoulder thinking some one is looking at them in a sexual way.


That says more about the person, that they're obsessed with themselves so much that they think they will be fancied.
I'd hate to have people like that* defending me!

*people like that = bigots.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
. I just do not think it is right to have some one looking over their shoulder thinking some one is looking at them in a sexual way.


That says more about the person, that they're obsessed with themselves so much that they think they will be fancied.
I'd hate to have people like that* defending me!

*people like that = bigots.


So women should use the same restrooms and shower in front of male soldiers? I'm sure some would like that but others would not. Our nakedness is ours and it is our right do deny some one who might be aroused by it the ability to see our nakedness. It has nothing to do with bigotry.




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