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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:38 AM by oatie
This is an impossible coincidence. I have never heard of Emmanual Swedenborg before today. I was casually making my internet rounds checking email, favorite websites, ect. Before I cruised over to ATS I hit up one of my favorite science websites called Sciencedaily. one of the top stories was a prehistoric whale carcass was discovered. scientist believe it may be the mystical swedenborg whale. there are four species of right whale, the swedenborg whale is, and I qoute, "mythical fifth species of right whale." what is odd is that after reading that story I drop by ATS and see one of the top stories is about emmanual swedenborg. Impossible coincidence, as of that i think we should investigate this story further. because as almost any ATS'er would say there are no such things as coincidences!!! Here is the link to the sciencedaily article: www.sciencedaily.com...
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 01:12 AM by T0by
reply to post by oatie lol yeah exact same thing happened to me I want to learn more about what swedenborg said about this whale. Couldn't really find anything on it.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 01:15 AM by T0by
www.swedenborg.com.au... heres the australian site anyway
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 01:39 AM by oatie
reply to post by T0by There are definitely some interesting articles there. there are some good lessons too. I am particularly fond of his ideas of religion, It meshes well with what I believe. thanks for the link Star for you
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 02:18 AM by mmiichael
One has to realize that in Swedenborg's time astronomy was still a fledgling science. Science Fiction as we know it was not even on the horizon. The Cosmos was seen by people like him in more mystical terms. One could fantasize the red planet Mars was filled with ancient civilizations and ethically advanced people. There was no scientific knowledge to conflict with this. Another planet might be akin to Heaven. Just as people actively imagined contact with Angels, Demon, mythological beings, Swedenborg might dream of a visitor from another planet. The hard science realities of long travel through the vacuum of space, human life being supportable in inhospitable temperatures, atmospheres, gravity, were unheard of. With no flying or even balloons, the concept of ships that could journey immense distance were barely imagined. Mike
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 02:43 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by badw0lf Actually, all his stories about Jupiter, Mars, Venus, may just have been pat answers given to him as not to blow his 18th Century mind.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 02:47 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Semiazas And I still haven't found where it specifically says that he was contacted by aliens. Can someone please show me the source on that? His book "Life on Other Planets" details his communications with entities from various planets.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 03:14 AM by bsbray11
reply to post by Skyfloating I tried finding free online copies of his book about life on other planets, because it's so old I figured it would be in public domain. I'm curious because I read on another website that his accounts of what the spirits from the different planets had to say were very similar to astrological and mythological lore about the same gods/planets, and I was wanting to look at the accounts myself. I don't suppose you could be of any help?
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 04:16 AM by reugen
If you search Google Books on Swedenborg you can select full view only, below is a search for "Emanuel Swedenborg". Much of his works are pure theological, he apparently had an religious epiphany at age 57. Sample search [edit on 2009/6/9 by reugen]
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 04:22 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by bsbray11 No...I just discovered his connection to UFOlogy yesterday
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 05:37 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by oatie This is an impossible coincidence. I have never heard of Emmanual Swedenborg before today. I was casually making my internet rounds checking email, favorite websites, ect. Before I cruised over to ATS I hit up one of my favorite science websites called Sciencedaily. one of the top stories was a prehistoric whale carcass was discovered. scientist believe it may be the mystical swedenborg whale. there are four species of right whale, the swedenborg whale is, and I qoute, "mythical fifth species of right whale." what is odd is that after reading that story I drop by ATS and see one of the top stories is about emmanual swedenborg. Impossible coincidence, as of that i think we should investigate this story further. because as almost any ATS'er would say there are no such things as coincidences!!! Awesome coincidence. Even more awesome as, prior to reading your post I watched a movie called "Whale Rider". No joke! [edit on 9-6-2009 by Skyfloating]
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 05:41 AM by badw0lf
Originally posted by Skyfloating reply to post by badw0lf Actually, all his stories about Jupiter, Mars, Venus, may just have been pat answers given to him as not to blow his 18th Century mind. Good point! I had not thought of that. Still, it would be a shame and an irony that historical people were given information in this way, so as to not bewilder them beyond belief, yet in this day and age to reveal anything at all is to entice our primal urges to kill or attack that which we do not understand - as much as we claim to understand - therefore forcing the hand of true disclosure further away.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 07:49 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by really reply to post by Skyfloating Awesome! Thanks for posting Swedenborg. Great idea. I haven't thought of him in a while. He was so far ahead of his (our) time. Thought of the TV before electricity was captured for use by man. Star and flag! Really? Wow. Could you show me something on this...
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 09:38 AM by Francis M. Keracher
reply to post by Skyfloating DaVinci imagined and articulated these ideas first.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:21 PM by AR154
I have never heard of this person before...Never popped up in our history lessons it seems!
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 12:45 PM by Wertdagf
reply to post by Skyfloating I think what was discribed to him was cloaking technology on other planets. We are just now developing meta materials that can redirect or change the spectrum of light that hits it. What was discribed to him might be another "demention" of light beyond the visible spectrum. He most likely remebered more than what he ever told. Wouldnt want to get in the way of the religions fanatics who were ready to kill people for potentialy "insulting" their god.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 03:39 PM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Francis M. Keracher DaVinci imagined and articulated these ideas first. Yes...and many unnamed before him.
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 07:24 PM by jkrog08
For some further information concerning this thread here is a portrait of Emanuel Swedenborg courtesy of wikipedia.org Some personal information… Famous as Scientist, Philosopher, Christian Mystic and Theologian Born on 29 January 1688 Born in Stockholm, Sweden Died on 12 March 1772 Nationality: Sweden • Works & Achievements Invented a dry dock of new design, a machine for working salt springs and a system for moving large boats overland; Explained the theory of Trinity and the doctrine of salvation • After the death of King Charles XII (1718), Queen Ulrika Eleonora ennobled, or dignified, Swedberg and his siblings, from Swedberg to Swedenborg, to honor the services of their father. • On the 140th anniversary of Swedenborg's death, his earthly remains were transferred to Uppsala Cathedral, in Sweden. • In 1997, a garden, play area and memorial, near the Uppsala Cathedral road, were created in his memory. • In 1938, the site of Swedish Church, where he was buried in London, was redeveloped, and in his honor, the local road was renamed Swedenborg Gardens. www.thefamouspeople.com... New Studies With time, Swedenborg's interests wavered. He switched to spiritual matters, resolute to find a theory that would explain how 'matter' relates to 'spirit'. This invention led him to discover the structure of matter and the process of creation itself. In his book, Principia, he outlined his philosophical methods, which included his experience, geometry and the power of reason. He, thus, presented his cosmology, which included the first presentation of the Nebular hypothesis. In 1735, Swedenborg's released the book 'Opera philosophica et mineralis', which reflected his effort to conjoin philosophy and metallurgy. The work also earned him international fame and repute. Later in the year, he wrote the small manuscript 'de Infinito' basically defining the relation between finite and infinite and also between soul and body. In the 1730s, Swedenborg also studied anatomy and physiology. In 1743, he urged a leave of absence to go abroad. The aim behind Swedenborg's leave was to collect material on 'Regnum animale' (The Animal Kingdom, or Kingdom of Life), to explain the soul from an anatomical point of view. On this travel expedition, Swedenborgexperienced many different dreams and visions, some greatly pleasurable, others highly disturbing. These experiences were recorded in his Journal of Dreams, which reflected the battle between the love for his own self and the love for God. Visions and Spiritual Insights While proceeding further into the subject 'Regnum animale', Swedenborg felt like dropping his current project and writing a new book, this one about the worship of God. He acted according to his wishes and started working on the book 'De cultu et amore Dei', or The Worship and Love of God. Though the book had still not been completed, Emanuel Swedenborg still got it published, in London, in June 1745. Scriptural Commentary & Writings To complete his half done task 'De cultu et amore Dei', Swedenborg relieved himself from the post of Assessor of the Board of Mines and took up the study of Hebrew. He, then, started working on the spiritual interpretation of the Bible, with the goal of interpreting the spiritual meaning of every verse. For the next decade, he devoted his time and study to this task. Abbreviated as Arcana Cœlestia or Heavenly Secrets, the work became the magnum opus or the basis of his further theological works. Later Life & Death Emanuel Swedenborg spent the last quarter of his life in Stockholm, Holland, and London. During this phase, he published 14 works of spiritual nature. He also made a lot of friends around this time. In 1770, Swedenborg traveled to Amsterdam, to complete the publication of his last work, 'Vera Christiana Religio', one of his most famous contributions. In 1771, after suffering from a stroke, he became partially paralyzed and was restricted to bed. Though he was getting better, Swedenborg left for the heaven abode on March 29, 1772. He was buried in Swedish Church, in Shadwell, London. Honors After the death of King Charles XII (1718), Queen Ulrika Eleonora ennobled, or dignified, Swedberg and his siblings, from Swedberg to Swedenborg, to honor the services of their father. On the 140th anniversary of Swedenborg's death, his earthly remains were transferred to Uppsala Cathedral, in Sweden. In 1997, a garden, play area and memorial, near the Uppsala Cathedral road, were created in his memory. In 1938, the site of Swedish Church, where he was buried in London, was redeveloped, and in his honor, the local road was renamed Swedenborg Gardens. en.wikipedia.org... Timeline: • 1688 - Emanuel Swedberg was born in Stockholm, Sweden on January 29th • 1715 - Returned home and gave his time entirely to natural sciences and engineering • 1716 to 1718 - Published a scientific paper called 'Daedalus Hyperboreus'(The Northern inventor, or some new experiments in mathematics and physics) • 1724 - Declined the offer to become a professor of mathematics due to a speech problem, at Uppsala University • 1735 - Wrote a book entitled 'Opera philosophica et mineralis' (Philosophical and Mineralogical Works), reflecting his effort to conjoin philosophy and metallurgy • 1743 - Urged a leave of absence to go abroad and get material on 'Regnum animale', which was his study of the animal kingdom. • 1744 - Presented his first theory of correspondences • 1745 - Published the book 'De cultu et amore Dei'( The Worship and Love of God) • 1770 – Went to Amsterdam to complete his last book titled, 'Vera Christiana Religio', or “True Christian Religion” • 1771 – Had a stroke and was partially paralyzed and thus bed ridden • 1772 – Died in London, England on March 29th It is interesting to not that he believed he was getting messages from Jesus Christ himself, which he believed was showing him the true meaning of the soul, spirit, and body. Some interesting information on Nebular Formation and Cosmology (what I am intending on majoring in) that was WAY AHEAD of its time… In cosmogony, the nebular hypothesis is the most widely accepted model explaining the formation and evolution of the Solar System. It was first proposed in 1734 by Emanuel Swedenborg.[1] Originally applied only to our own Solar System, this method of planetary system formation is now thought to be at work throughout the universe.[2] The widely accepted modern variant of the nebular hypothesis is Solar Nebular Disk Model (SNDM) or simply Solar Nebular Model.[3] According to SNDM stars form in massive and dense clouds of molecular hydrogen—giant molecular clouds (GMC). They are gravitationally unstable, and matter coalesces to smaller denser clumps within, which then proceed to collapse and form stars. Star formation is a complex process, which always produces a gaseous protoplanetary disk around the young star. This may give birth to planets in certain circumstances, which are not well known. Thus the formation of planetary systems is thought to be a natural result of star formation. A sun-like star usually takes around 100 million years to form.[2] en.wikipedia.org... I wonder how he came about this information? A genius ahead of his time or someone with insight given by extraterrestrial biological entities? Some very modern ideology is shown by Swedenborg.. The basis of the correspondence theory is that there is a relationship between the natural ("physical"), the spiritual, and the divine worlds. The foundations of this theory can be traced to Neoplatonism and the philosopher Plotinus in particular. With the aid of this scenario, Swedenborg now interpreted the Bible in a different light, claiming that even the most apparently trivial sentences could hold a profound spiritual meaning.[46] en.wikipedia.org... Continued Below... [edit on 6/9/2009 by jkrog08]
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 07:31 PM by jkrog08
LOL, looks like we are just now starting to take this topic more seriously! More importantly who was this guy? Rarely heard of but yet apparently as smart or smarter than Einstein was when we consider the time and thus technological understanding difference between them. Here is something that I can agree with, which is the reason I have denounced my Catholic faith, although I am still Christian.. From a Trinity of Persons, each one of whom singly is God, according to the Athanasian creed, many discordant and heterogeneous ideas respecting God have arisen, which are phantasies and abortions. [.] All who dwell outside the Christian church, both Mohammedans and Jews, and besides these the Gentiles of every cult, are averse to Christianity solely on account of its belief in three Gods. – Swedenborg, True Christian Religion, section 183 en.wikipedia.org... In my opinion it seems that Swedenborg was possibly given a message of the true nature of God and he tried to present this message to the populace, which obviously did not listen. It has been said that most EBEs (extraterrestrial biological entities) are MUCH more advanced spiritually than we are, so the facts surrounding Swedenborg’s works seem to give some collaborating evidence towards an actual ET encounter. After reviewing this information the Skyfloating brought to our attention it makes one wonder how often did ETs interfere with our species? I can not confirm if Swedenborg actually had an encounter with a alien species but considering the documents and such it seems that it is highly possible. Here is some more information concerning his and other related encounters: Two hundred years before the flying saucer age began, Swedish scientist and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) published a work called Earths in the Solar World (1758) in which he revealed that he had traveled to several planets in the solar system and beyond.2 He claimed to have encountered extraterrestrial beings in his travels, and he provided specific details concerning their civilizations. Swedenborg’s alleged encounters proved less scientific and more metaphysical in nature. Swedenborg’s extraterrestrial encounters clearly took place through psychic or occultic means. Swedenborg never spoke of a flying saucer, but he didn’t need one. Religion scholar J. Gordon Melton, who has extensively studied the contactee phenomenon, explains: Most nineteenth—and early—twentieth-century contact with extraterrestrials occurred in a spiritualist context, more likely than not in a séance. The prime mode of contact was a phenomenon quite familiar to psychic researchers, namely ‘astral travel.’ A person experiencing astral travel senses his/her body and consciousness separately, and while the body remains in one place, the consciousness travels around. Thus Swedenborg and mediums . . . could go into trances and travel to the various planets.3 Another leading occult figure who spoke of encounters with extraterrestrial entities was Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831-1891), who founded the influential occult religion of Theosophy in 1875.4 Blavatsky, herself a former spiritualist (a person who attempts contact with the dead), developed a new occult religious system centered around belief in “Ascended Masters.”5 These Ascended Masters make up a type of hierarchy of supernatural beings placed between humanity and the divine. Proponents of Theosophy believed that the ascended masters try to assist and guide humanity’s continuing spiritual evolution. Included in the list of these masters were beings from other planets. Thus, Blavatsky claimed to communicate with extraterrestrial beings through occultic means. She included among her ascended masters beings she called “Lords of the Flame” and the “Lord of This World.”6 As an offshoot of the Theosophical Society, the occult-based I AM movement was founded by Guy and Edna Ballard in the 1930s.7 The I AM movement affirmed belief in progressive revelations from these same ascended masters. Guy Ballard, however, made revelations from extraterrestrials a centerpiece in this movement. The I AM movement may be the very first religion centered upon revelatory messages from alien entities through occultic means.8 The alien messages are communicated through psychic experiences, particularly through “mediums,” by means of what today is referred to popularly as “channeling.” When communicating with aliens, the contactee used telepathy (direct communication from one mind to another). Christian apologist and specialist on New Age beliefs, Elliot Miller, defines channeling as “the practice of attempting communication with departed human or extra-human intelligences (usually nonphysical) through the agency of a human medium, with the intent of receiving paranormal information and/or having direct experience of metaphysical realities.”11 Ironically, the term “channeling” which is used widely in New Age circles came into use from the contactees themselves.12 John A. Saliba explains the close parallel between contactee channeling and the practice of spiritualism: “Contactees are similar to spiritualist mediums, the former receiving messages from superior, nonearthly beings, the latter from the spirits of the dead who are also not on this earthly plane.”13 www.reasons.org... More information on the alien part of the ‘channeling’ issue… According to the early contactees, aliens originated on Earth’s neighboring planets, especially Venus and Mars. Modern contactees are far less specific in identifying the alien’s place of origin. Doubtlessly, the loss of specific details is a response to the ever-increasing scientific data that shows no sentient life exists on the other planets in Earth’s solar system. Some contactees report that the aliens are from distant galaxies, or even from other dimensions of reality (even non-physical or spiritual reality). A wide variety of descriptions abound among contactees concerning the exact nature of the aliens.30 Some have described their alien communicators as material, physical beings, not unlike human beings. Others have described them as psychic realities, apparitions, or spiritual beings. Still others have described them as former physical beings who have evolved to an advanced spiritual state of existence. There are two general views regarding the intention of the aliens in contacting humanity: Contactees maintain that some aliens have a benevolent intent, while other aliens have a malevolent intent. www.reasons.org... It appears there is a religion named after this Swedenborg… Swedenborgianism is the belief system developed from the writings of the Swedish theologian Emanuel Swedenborg (1688 – 1772). It is claimed by its followers as a new form of Christianity. The doctrines of the New Church are as follows: • That there is one God and that He is the Lord Jesus Christ. Within the single Person of God there is a Divine Trinity. • That a saving faith is to believe in Him and to live a life of charity. • That all evils originate in mankind and are to be shunned. • That good actions are of God and from God, and are therefore necessary for life and should be done. • That these good acts are to be done by a person as if from him/herself; but that it ought to be acknowledged that they are done from the Lord with him/her and by him/her. • That one's fate after death is according to the character one has acquired in life; specifically that those governed by the love of the Lord or the love of being useful to others are in heaven, and that those governed by love of self or the love of worldly things are in hell. en.wikipedia.org... Here is the symbol of Swedenborgism courtesy of wikipedia.org Continued Below...
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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 07:32 PM by jkrog08
So who exactly was Emmanuel Swedenborg getting his information from? Was it Jesus Christ or multiple alien beings? Was it both? Now days we can’t really take things like this at face value because the urge to make money off the believers of the UFO phenomena. But in the 17th century this was NOT a issue, and in fact anyone who would have claimed personal teachings from Jesus or aliens would be charged with Heresy (like Swedenborg was) and sometimes killed (luckily he wasn’t). We can’t chalk this up to watching “too much sci-fi” considering that term was not even thought of at this time, and there was NO mentions of Pleadians, Greys, Reptoids, etc. Some have said that Swedenborg was mentally ill, but if so then why does all his works appear very organized and far from evidence of a mentally ill man? I think this could potentially be a legitimate case of possibly a dual “God-extraterrestrial/dimensional being encounter”. I mean many (including me) think that the story of Moses and Exodus seems eerily like a UFO account, the evidence is all over history of some type of “supernatural” interference by SOMEONE. Are we really willing to dismiss them all, including a great case like this in which the contactee obviously showed great knowledge in things he shouldn’t have known, even if he was above average intelligence or genius level intelligence. I mean we didn’t see Newton making schematics of submarines, aircraft, and spacecraft. Yes, Da Vinci (who many think had inside knowledge as well) had drawings before Swedenborg of advanced craft but he DID NOT talk about anything close to the super-advanced level of metaphysical understanding (that we are now only beginning to learn) that Swedenborg did, nor did he make bold predictions of space travel. So it seems we have yet another connective to the “multidimensional alien influence” saga that we here about today, can this be a hoax? I doubt it unless people like David Icke and Blossom Goodchild were around in the far past! Once again great post Skyfloating as more legitimate information goes into the Ufology bucket. Here is a link to more books written by Swedenborg… www.amazon.com... [edit on 6/9/2009 by jkrog08]
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