A 17th Century Contactee

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating





Wow, looks a lot like this:




A very common idea to all modern anti-gravity theory is you have to have 2 equal and opposite mechanism producing a massive amount of energy and then returning it to the other mechanism so a minimum amount of energy actually leaves the system.

There's an anti-gravity presentation on YouTube by former government contractee Stan Deyo, and he shows a lot of the same thing: two identical but opposite polarity "plates" transferring massive amounts of energy back and forth very rapidly and creating powerful dynamic magnetic and electric fields. He even goes into a lot of the theory behind how it works and gives well-known examples of other phenomena that use similar principles of re-using energy by certain geometric forms, like smoke rings.

[edit on 8-6-2009 by bsbray11]




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by beebs
I'm curious... If he is considered a contactee, then what about Pythagoras - who also stated there was life on other planets? Or maybe I am mistaken, and that is a myth...


Swedenborg claims to have communicated with aliens...thats what makes him a contactee.

(On a general note, I dont believe he is the first contactee, I believe ETs have been around since Millions of years. But thats another story.
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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Very interesting read, i will continue at the sites provided. As always, its a pleasure reading your material Skyfloating. On the biography site it says:

"With time, Swedenborg's interests wavered. He switched to spiritual matters, resolute to find a theory that would explain how 'matter' relates to 'spirit'. This invention led him to discover the structure of matter and the process of creation itself. "

Sounds very much like quantum mechanics/quantum theory, way ahead of his time. It was not until early 1900s that Niels Bohr discussed such matters, Swedenborg was active 1688-1772, his scientific studies started around 1715 approx, more than 200 years before Bohr.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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I always considered Ezekiel in the Bible, or possibly Moses as the earliest contact accounts in our written collections.

Emanuel Swedenborg also said his contacts were of a divine nature and heavenly. So really we just have to translate the words "angels" into something like "ET".



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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skepticism is helpful when trying to accomplish something...such as remove excess fat from science to streamline a point.

skepticism to shoot down ideas that do not currently fit the understanding of science is pure religion and meant to slow or stop progress and creativity.

often, things happen that bewilder understandings of science because people forgot to tell someone that the things they were doing were impossible to do...later on, after analysis, rules of science change as they understand more...but not before someone had to challenge skeptics from all walks of life spewing their religious base arguments as to why things cant happen (see...almost every major scientific breakthrough in the last 200 years)

Skeptical analysis is good, skeptical personalities is religion

so, if you find you have a skeptical personality (I have one also, I am not claiming I am outside of this catagory)...dont say things cant happen because of this and that...start with the phrase "I dont believe it can happen because of..."...this way its more accurate...we dont know the possibilities of science, we dont know the nature of the universe, we have no concept as to what the true potential of this dimension is beyond a scratch on the surface of understanding that changes often.

we have only a belief system based on some loosely identified perceptions of what has so far been the case more times than not.

in saying that, I think its high time we start to reopen the discussions and experimentation with Torsion Fields and waves...it would certainly explain the theory of quantum entanglment should it be verified...sure, it flys in the face of general relativity, but so what...most things in QP slaps GR like a redheaded stepchild and yet both have been shown right.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
The "ETs in different planes of perception" thing does warrant a closer look. That look wont be provided by nuts-and-bolts UFOlogists who dont factor in metaphysical implications of ET-Contact.


i always say,

if something exists, its physical

nothing is metaphysical

if it exists and is invisible, it is still obeying the same law of physics the rest of the universe does

same goes with ghosts, they are not super natural
they are natural



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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reply to post by Skyfloating
 


1700's was the 18th century, not the 17th.


My main objection to alien abductees or whatever is simple:

The craft in question is ALWAYS different... never identical. These aliens must fly customized crafts?

The description of their race is almost always different.. never exactly the same..

What happens in the visit seems to always differ

"Future" viewing is always seemingly very different.. no one ever has the same vision..

No two seperate "whistle blowers" have told the same tale..

I think the science fiction ... I mean, ufologist.. need to get together and decide what to keep and what to toss out of their stories..


Interesting story, but I'm saying he had an over active imagination.. plenty of people dreamed of flying.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Historians have acknowledged this as the first sketch of aircraft.




SkyFloating, you know I love ya....


But did these historians forget about the Da Vinci sketches of aircraft from the 1400's?

www.centennialofflight.gov...



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Historians have acknowledged this as the first sketch of aircraft.




SkyFloating, you know I love ya....


But did these historians forget about the Da Vinci sketches of aircraft from the 1400's?

www.centennialofflight.gov...


EXACTLY. I was actually thinking about just those. I thought; " Hey, what about Da Vinci, then?
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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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interesting thread, so many great ideas are thought to be crazy at first then turn out to be genius. the sketch looks like what we today refer to as orb shaped ufos, which i personally have seen myself.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Nice catch. Maybe they meant engine-powered aircraft rather than propeller-powered ones.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck


The craft in question is ALWAYS different... never identical. These aliens must fly customized crafts?



At least the saucer-shapes seem to be consistent throughout the centuries...



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by redhead57
Isn't it comforting to know the "church" condemned his work! It yet amazes me that people put so much stock in the "church". great find.



People need to put their stock in Jesus and not in a church.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by redhead57
Isn't it comforting to know the "church" condemned his work! It yet amazes me that people put so much stock in the "church". great find.



People need to put their stock in Jesus and not in a church. I don't see anything sinful about flying.

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Interesting. I read some Stan Deyo a long time ago but dont remember: Does he say that this is the general principle behind flying-disc propulsion?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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He also exsperienced profound OBE's (our of body experiences) which mirror modern day NDE's (near death experiences). The guy was a mystic of the very highest order.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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Hiya,
I've actually been vaguely involved in the swedenborg church since I was young. My best friend in highschol, his parents happened to be ministers for that church.
From my experience, and I don't know if this would be the case for all swedenborg churches, it is a much more spiritual church than your regular ones. It's a bit like a new age church, crossed with your traditional church. They're open to the concepts of spiritual healings, reiki style and things like that.

At no time in 20 years has any of their members come across as cultish, or pushy.

I've shown the wife of the minister this thread. Hopefully she will join up and give some corrections/and or insight.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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Thats interesting. Could you share a bit more about Swedensborgs beliefs?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:46 PM
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I long ago committed to memory a quote from an early American Swedenborg devotee....... John Jay Chapman A.K.A. Johnny Appleseed...

"If a man can escape the tyranny of the neighborhood gossip then for him the world holds no terror."



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Heres something interesting, I found a bit of info on Swedenborgs beliefs concerning aliens in our solar system. Here he writes that spirits told him people lived in wooden buildings and tents on the planet Jupiter:


Their dwellings were also shown me. They are lowly dwellings constructed of wood; but within they are lined with bark or cork of a pale blue colour, and the walls and ceiling are spotted as with stars, to represent the heaven; for they are fond of picturing the visible heaven with its constellations in the interiors of their houses, the reason being that they believe the constellations to be the abodes of the angels. They have tents also, which are rounded off above and extended in length, spotted likewise within with stars on a blue ground. They retire into these in the day-time, to prevent their faces suffering from the heat of the sun. They bestow much care on the fashioning of these tents of theirs, and on keeping them clean. In them they also take their repasts.†


Fascinating description. But even more interesting is that he believed in aliens on the moon:


Similarly, Swedenborg said that a spirit from the moon said that the voices of that satellite’s inhabitants “made a loud thundering sound.”

With no atmosphere on the moon’s surface, necessary for sound waves and hearing, one wonders how this could be possible.

Source

Well, someones been saying that there is an atmosphere on the moon for quite a long time now





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