reply to post by mattpryor
Well if two people are arguing about what 2+2 equals, and they can't even agree what 2 means, where it came from, or whose fault it is that 2+2 are
being added together in the first place, then yes you will get different answers.
Or when you have one person who knows exactly what 2 means and what 2 plus 2 means and exactly where it came from, and exactly why, and exactly why
they are being added together because it’s all just rudimentary fundamental documented knowledge routed in logic, and they are trying to explain
that 2 + 2 equals 4 and the other person only wants to pony up one, and leave the other person footing the bill on the other 3, even though the person
who has only contributed 1 has had almost exclusive use of all 4 you have kind of like what we have today with the United States and Israel…
The United States pays for most of it, takes the liability and risk and damage for most of it, and Israel enjoys the advantage of all of that while
the United States suffers all the disadvantages of that.
When ever anyone complains about this arrangement in the United States then the deadbeat who brings almost nothing of any value what so ever to the
table (Israel) simply cries that they just don’t understand why anyone would question that they don’t understand the fundamentals of basic math
and why they can’t be a perennial charity case that doesn’t have to conform to international law or standards or come by and maintain things in
honest, humane and self supportive and responsible and responsive ways.
This is not both parties not agreeing on these fundamental rudimentary issues Matt this is one party having to pay the piper 4 on behalf of an
undisciplined, irresponsible, emotionally dysfunctional and amorally selfish nation whose propensity for indiscriminate and disproportionate violence
seems to be the only 1 thing they have to add to a bill that equals 4. Whether it’s Israelis or Arabs flying planes into our buildings it’s all
being done 4 Israel. 4 our support of Israel, 4 our gullibility of letting Israelis pretend simple math is not simple but involves a complex set of
tales, lies, suppositions, bigotries and stereo typical assumptions to understand.
2 + 2 always and forever =’s 4 Matt except for people who don’t want to be held accountable by and 4 the numbers.
History, unlike maths, is not an exact science. It's a study of human behaviour, sociology, and perception, cause and effect. Most importantly it's
a study of other people's experiences and perceptions, not one's own. Assigning blame is a dangerous thing to do when you don't have all the facts,
which neither you or I do.
Matt I rode my bicycle to the store at 6:22 PM this evening to get 2 packs of cigarettes and a candy bar. I hate to break it to you but that’s
history.
Now someone might say I went to a strip club! Someone might say I was in an alleyway playing a game of pickup craps. Someone might say I was visiting
the blind orphanage bringing homemade chicken soup.
The fact is I rode my bicycle to the store at 6:22 PM this evening to get 2 packs of cigarettes and a candy bar. That’s really what happened, there
is no science, or sociology or perception involved.
While you might be putting forth some arguments of why some ignorant and deceitful people grabble with simple things like 2 + 2 = 4, and whether
someone really went to the store at 6:22 PM…
None of that changes the fact that 2 + 2 =’s 4 and I went to the store at 6:22 PM this evening to get 2 packs, not 3 packs or 1 packs of cigarettes,
because I like to smoke, not because I am trying to kill my next door neighbors dog with second hand smoke (yep she is Jewish LOL) or because I lost a
crap game in the alley and the winner wanted 2 packs of cigarettes.
And I also dispute your assertion that there is only one version of the truth. Take any conflict in the world and you will have two directly opposing
points of view as to who started it, who are the aggressors and who are the victims. There are so many factors involved in this to make ascertaining
"truth" an impossible task. We can only make estimates based on the facts available, and as we have seen in this conflict even given historical
facts can be manipulated, questioned and discredited.
No Matt I am sorry I really went to the store at 6:22 PM this evening to get two packs of cigarettes and a candy bar, despite the fact that my next
door neighbor had just delivered a home made bowl of delicious chicken soup (Did I mention she is Jewish Matt?) for baby sitting her lovable dog Heidi
(Did I mention Heidi is a Dachshund and German) as I often do even though she worries I am killing her dog with 2nd hand smoke!
Every single person on this planet has a slightly different perception of reality. That is why we have conflict and disputes. In the case of Israel
and Palestinians, those perceptions of reality are so different that it causes hatred and bloodshed.
Yes it’s true that Heidi seems to like me more than her mother despite the cigarette smoke and that Heidi (did I mention Heidi is German) has taken
to snapping/biting more at her mother now since coming into my life a year ago (Did I mention her mother is Jewish?)
Ultimately the only thing that matters is who you choose to believe when confronted with this barrage of claim and counter-claim, with both sides
accusing the other of historical distortion and reversal of causality.
Personally I don’t think it has anything to do with the second hand smoke that Heidi snaps at her Mother more now or the fact that Heidi the
Dachshund is German, I think it might have more to do with her Mother sometimes hits her (2 grown women sharing a household is tough even when one of
them is a dog on the both of them) which I don’t approve of. Of course Heidi’s mother claims she has to hit the dog to discipline her, and of
course I tell her that no, any good dog trainer will tell you that is the worst way in the world to discipline a dog. Yet as time goes on clearly
Heidi the German Dachshund seems to like her mother less and less despite the dangers of second hand smoke in my apartment!
Of course I have threatened at times to call the Society for the Prevention for Cruelty to Animals but I know Heidi loves her Mother despite her
sometimes reactionary emotional, verbal and physical cruelties towards her and I wouldn’t want to see her taken away from her mother. Hey it’s bad
enough I get stuck babysitting her several days a week, a little dog is not exactly conducive to a bachelor’s lifestyle if you know what I mean
Matt.
I sure would like to see things work out in the long term between Heidi and her Mother and it’s cute because sometimes her mother will claim Heidi
does things, I know Heidi has not done. Heidi can’t even talk to add her version to the events.
Yet it’s funny when you are standing right there and watching the two of them interact and all of a sudden her mother says “did you see what she
just did, she has to be punished” and you have seen what the dog just did because you are witnessing it with your own two eyes, and it sure isn’t
what her Mother said well…you know someone might be having a little control issue and a problem with reality…
In your case you choose to take the word of Pan-Arab nationalists, Jew haters, agitators and Islamic fundamentalists. That's your prerogative. That
doesn't mean I have to like it, and it certainly does not give you the excuse to bully and demean people that have an opposing point of view to
you.
Yes you have summed me up perfectly Matt, I am sure the soup and occasional dinner my next door neighbor who is a transplanted New York Jew to Miami
who was widowed a year ago that I have spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours helping her readjust to her new life all from the standpoint
of a good neighbor that she recognizes this in me too and puts some slow acting poison in those little things she occasionally does for me to she her
appreciation for my kindness and benevolence towards her and her dog.
I am sure I have in the past misinterpreted the live videos I have witnessed from things like the first Intifada were a five year old boy throws a
small stone hardly bigger than a pebble in the general direction of a squad of Israeli soldiers who then shoot the five year old boy point blank in
the head with a rubber bullet from an M-16 killing him with a massive hemorrhage to his brain.
I am sure that the soldiers standing on land that they had stolen through military force of arms from a people who agreed to let Zionists peacefully
immigrate into their nation of Palestine must have known that when the boy wasn’t throwing pebbles that hit no one, he was at home designing thermo
nuclear warheads with the relief supplies given to him by the United Nations because of economic employment and commerce blockades inflicted on his
family and neighbors by the Israelis keeps them dirt poor.
Yep that little 5 year old boy sure had it coming huh Matt?
I am sure the soldier who fired the killing round was awarded Israel’s highest Military Decoration for his exceptional bravery and courage under
such deadly fire!
Matt can you cook soup? I have to tell you, it makes what my neighbor does to poor sweet little Heidi a little bit more palatable. You know what they
say the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach!
Don’t worry Matt I am going to keep working with all my neighbors to make the world a kinder, gentler and more loving place.
Heidi sure seems to enjoy an affectionate pat on the head and a kind word. Funny Funny Matt she doesn’t understand what the words mean since she is
just a dog, but she recognizes a kind and loving tone.
[edit on 13/6/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]
