Originally posted by Muckster
Blueorder... I wasn’t even taking to you so pipe down son.

But to answer in the childish way that you may understand...

how about you settle pettle, maybe have a nice wee cup of tea and attain some level or rationality

No it's not

clearly wrong

Er... what?!?!

self evident pettle- there is no 100% pure anything, that does not take away from the rational of attacking multi culturalism, mass immigration etc

No, i was using a snippet of 400 years as an example.

not a very relevant "snippet"

What if a white person who speaks English wants to stab you to death??

clearly I would fear them, now answer my question?

Nope, nothings pure... but Hitler wanted it that way!

Yes, roger irrelevant, now back to the debate

See how annoying this kind of response is?? It all gets very childish when someone replies with little quotes and one sentence answers. So please, either reply like an adult or don’t reply at all.

I was cutting my cloth, now hopefully you can step up your game a little

Originally posted by Muckster
More stars for you sotp... unfortunately i think we are beating our heads against a brick wall

Adolf Griffin openly admits his strong links with the old National Front. The National Front were openly racist... But the BNP are not racist??? Yeah right.

Like i keep saying... they haven’t even got the balls to admit it.

It's all about "degrees of outrage"- why would you not get as outraged at unrepentant trotskyists and communists in the Labour govt- are millions of dead in Ethiopia, Cambodia, Soviet Union not enough for you, see we can all play that game

Deal with the BNP as they are now, man up and stop scurrying around in the past

Originally posted by Fang

I was being sarcastic. You know, Mussolini and his triumphs.

I know mate, I was too.

Originally posted by blueorder

oh yeah, right on Rik, yeah, not a great crystal ball you have- drama queen

I was being facetious...sort of. I wouldn't be surprised if things ended up like that under a BNP goverment. I'm sure the Germans didn't forsee the state their country would be left in after the Nazis.

Originally posted by Muckster

More stars for you sotp... unfortunately i think we are beating our heads against a brick wall

Thanks for the stars Muckster, I usually don't get many so much appreciated

And of course you are right - leopards don't change their spots. Not that leopards would be allowed into the country - bunch of smelly African spongers is what they are, lounging about our zoos taking up land that rightfully belongs to proud British animals!

Originally posted by Lazyninja

I'm pretty sure immigration is a bigger deal than you think for the average voting Joe. It's definitely more important to the public than education is, yet the government still has it's driving force behind education, with healthcare coming second.

It's a problem that anyone concerned with immigration is labelled as some kind of racist. However, I'm pretty sure that the only people who throw tags around like that, are either people who are already comfortably in a job, or those who do not have a job and aren't looking for one.

I suppose that depends on the area where you live and the amount of immigrants there. In my area it's a non-issue, but we don't have the amount of asylum seekers or illegals that some places do. We do have an abundance of Eastern Europeans but no-one has a problem with them as far as I can see.
I agree with your point about people mentioning immigration being labelled racists, that is unfortunate, but in some cases that tag is merited. It certainly is in the case of the BNP.

Originally posted by blueorder

Deal with the BNP as they are now, man up and stop scurrying around in the past

The BNP were and still are a bunch of racist thugs, no matter how much they try and deny it. The only way to deal with them is to vote wisely and make sure they never get into power.

He was warned by the Police not to set this meeting up or attend it, I guess he just loves the publicity.

Oh dear that is twice now, So guessing you all whom support the BNP will blame this on the other POLITICAL PARTIES? Not on the ordinary citizen who sees the BNP for what is it!!! It is not hire a mob it is ordinary citizens who are disgusted that even a party like this exists.

Thats twice the protests have fallen for the orchestrated misdirection to focus on a well-crafted 'media-kettling' strategy.

And yet more pointless ranting and public tantrums from the same group that brought us the 'G20 aimless sulking in a police kettle-cordon' event

The trouble with the BNP is that although they have correctly identified the concerns and fears held by a good portion of the British public, and are very good at exploiting and encouraging those fears, they do not offer any practical solutions.

What we're dealing with in Britain (as with the rest of Europe, US, Australia) are very complex social problems. Immigration from less developed countries has largely been a post-war and post-colonial phenomenon. It is bound to have caused alienation and resentment, which is particularly evident in more deprived areas (where the BNP's main support base can be found).

The answers to these problems, in my view, can be found by collectively getting our act together and sorting out the economic mess that has been left behind by the collapse of British manufacturing, mining and shipping industries (to name just a few).

Politics should be about identifying and sorting out problems so that people can live happily and get along as best as possible, not about creating confrontation and encouraging ill feeling in order to gain support and power, which is my main issue with Nick Griffin's lot and why they worry me.

The demographic of Britain has changed radically over the last 50 years. There's no going back from that, and for me personally it's not really that much of an issue. As far as I'm concerned people are just people, we're all pretty much the same. I know however that that isn't the case for everyone, and I am comparatively lucky in terms of having a decent job and living in a reasonable area (with a very mixed bag of races and religions).

What we as a nation should be doing is coming up with intelligent strategies and policies which a) improve the standard of life for everyone, especially the most deprived and b) remove the social and economic barriers which cause friction between different ethnic groups, which is best done through education and strengthening local communities.

Just kicking out everyone who isn't "British" enough is a facile, enormously expensive and dangerous tactic which will only cause more fear, more resentment and more hatred on our streets.

The problem is that the rest of us who are opposed to the BNP are relying on politicians to come up with the answers for us. Sadly, I don't think they will, and I think that unless we can organise ourselves and start thinking our way out of these problems, this country (and the West in general) is heading into very stormy waters over the next 5-6 years.

And yet more pointless ranting and public tantrums from the same group that brought us the 'G20 aimless sulking in a police kettle-cordon' event

Wrong, the complaints that were lodged with regards to the G20 protests and the way the police handled them was not only just from that group, others were invovled also, and innocent bystanders or do you need reminding of this?

I don't need to know English politics to know the pendulum always swings.
They're sick of the ruling party so now they want change.
The left wingers must've really been bad if England is shifting right.
Same for France and the rest of Europe, soon the US.

Besides, what's wrong with survival?
I doubt it's racial otherwise this would have occurred years ago.

Maybe the Brits are tired of illegals and/or non Brits that are taking over their country.
Maybe they'll ask for their guns back too.

The problem is, that while multi-culturalism and mass immigration are espoused by the upper middle classes in the UK, it is usually the working class who are economically and culturally affected by it.

The unskilled and semi-skilled see their jobs being taken by immigrants who are willing to work at a lower wage while the middle and upper classes are rarely in economic competition with the mass majority of immigrants. British tradesmen also see their jobs being taken by Eastern European tradesmen who are willing and able to work for significantly less money.

The working class don't have the money to live in affluent areas and are more or less forced to live the multi-culturalism while the upper & middle classes live in their wealthy and almost exclusively white enclaves largely insulated from foreign cultures and foreign religions in the UK.

The upper and middle classes do directly benefit from the mass immigration because it pushes down the cost of goods and services that draw their labour from the less well off members of the work force.

In effect, mass immigration has the effect of making the poor, poorer (their incomes decrease) while making the middle and upper classes better off (their purchasing power increases due to a drop in the prices of many goods and services).

Mass immigration is just another ploy by the ruling elite to redistribute wealth from the poor to the well off and the rich.

Originally posted by gpzrd350
The problem is, that while multi-culturalism and mass immigration are espoused by the upper middle classes in the UK, it is usually the working class who are economically and culturally affected by it.

There's more than a grain of truth in your argument gpzrd. But what it demonstrates is that this is an economic issue, not a race issue. The reason eastern European builders have come to Britain to work is because they earn more than they do at home, but we pay them less to do it. It's not the fault of immigration, it's the fault of what inspired the immigration in the first place.

The reason Griffin stance on immigration is so absurd is that it suggests that by removing the immigrant workers you remove the problem. You don't. In effect you create an economic disaster for the country by removing cheaper labour and forcing running costs up wildly. That isn't a sustainable way forward.

My own view is that Nationalist politics are simply outdated. They don't work any more because the concept of nation has changed. It might be regrettable to some degree, we may lose some things that we held dear, but on the other hand globalisation gives us so much in return.

Even taking the moral argument out of the equation for a moment, racism is at root irrational and illogical. Racial prejudice simply doesn't stand up to science. Attempting to make it political is to build a house on sand.

LW