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If O’bama is a Muslim, so what?
Originally posted by Gazrok
Otherwise, he was elected, so we should give him the opportunity to do his job, whether one voted for him or not.
Read your history,we have been cutting back for decades.
To argue that developing nuclear weapons is a necessary component of American defense is flawed. You're using Pyongyang's nuclear test to question the feasibility of a nuclear weapon-free world. But you and other proponents of this notion are missing the point which is, a world full of nuclear weapons hasn't deterred North Korea either.
So are you saying that Christians don't read the Bible? Was it Jews that conducted the Salem Witch Hunts? No,I condemned the right ones.
I disagree.Scroll down to "churches".
Are you seeing Obama as being a Muslim because he said he was or just because he was born into it? If he was born into it but does not claim it i don't see how this applies. This is a country of choice,is it not?
You shouldn't make statements that are inclusive. And to be honest you're wrong, you me and a multitude of others don't know nearly enough to intelligently discuss this religion because it is a very complicated religion with nuances that we can't comprehend.
Oh really,go to Saudi Arabia or better yet, go to Bahrain with your simplified view of all religions. It will be a learning experience I'll say that.
How many Saudi Arabians are Christian? Zero. - Hemisphere
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Eight
There is a reason for this not being posted,it means nothing. It's a misunderstanding of what he was saying and he corrected it.
I think the problem most people have with this video is that they can't imagine ever making the same "mistake" obama did. There's no way they would "accidentally" say they were a different religion than they really are.
Because of that, it makes it appear that under the pressure of the campaign and the interview (and without his teleprompter), obama simply forgot his coaching and memorized lines and accidentally told the truth.
Originally posted by Hemisphere
Even if that were true we were not aggressively advertising cutting back to our enemies in the midst of them flaunting their new weapon systems. Who's talking about developing weapons? I am clearly talking about maintaining defense systems. Protection not aggression. You don't rid the world or weapons by allowing Korea to develop nuclear while dissarming yourself. My wording isn't that vague.
BO's actions are counter to reason. North Korea is testing missiles, we're cutting back on missile defense. We could throw in Ahmedenejad for good measure but the Koreans are enough for the argument. His actions are not Christian or Muslim, they're simply naive or blatantly sinister.
Another:
It was you who brought up Moses as an example of Christian behavior. There were no Christians in your example. Be precise. If you meant Salem Witch Hunts, say so. There were better examples of Christian behavior to choose from. "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" - Monty Python
You disagree with me saying that Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Salman Rushdie, former Muslims, are alive because they are now living in the west? I don’t care about your Christian bashing, that’s another thread for you to write. Yes, yes. Religions are bad! Agreed, now move on to your Obama thread.
I don't see him as anything other than a problematic beurocrat. Muslim fundamentalists see him as a Muslim or former Muslim and they don't give a ratz*** how he became one or why he no longer is. They have very narrow vision. He can be whatever he wants here, just don't take it on a world tour and that is what he's done.
liberals can't believe that "Basketball Jones"
You've seen the video of him discussing his Muslim upbringing, so have the fundies. I don't make their rules, Muslim fundies make their own rules and back them with fairy tales. By the way, those virgins they recieve in "paradise", male virgins!
Originally posted by Eight
Originally posted by Hemisphere
Even if that were true we were not aggressively advertising cutting back to our enemies in the midst of them flaunting their new weapon systems. Who's talking about developing weapons? I am clearly talking about maintaining defense systems. Protection not aggression. You don't rid the world or weapons by allowing Korea to develop nuclear while disarming yourself. My wording isn't that vague.
You're correct, your statement contained no ambiguity, and here they are:
BO's actions are counter to reason. North Korea is testing missiles, we're cutting back on missile defense. We could throw in Ahmedenejad for good measure but the Koreans are enough for the argument. His actions are not Christian or Muslim, they're simply naive or blatantly sinister.
Now what else an I to infer from this other than Obama's plan to scale back of missile defense isn't sane? My reply was saying basiclly if that the case, This insanity goes decades back.
Another:
It was you who brought up Moses as an example of Christian behavior. There were no Christians in your example. Be precise. If you meant Salem Witch Hunts, say so. There were better examples of Christian behavior to choose from. "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" - Monty Python
You being pedantic is what caused the this. In general speaking everyone knows Christians read the Holy Bible,plain and simple. And I did use the Salem Witch Hunts to show what I meant.
If I was Christian there is no way I would even try and speak against another religion when my own has it's dark and bloody history.
You disagree with me saying that Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Salman Rushdie, former Muslims, are alive because they are now living in the west? I don’t care about your Christian bashing, that’s another thread for you to write. Yes, yes. Religions are bad! Agreed, now move on to your Obama thread.
No, I asked you to read the part about churches, and if you look good you will see that you and others are the ones that have a problem with Obama being a Muslim,I don''t. So who is doing the basing? Shall we go back to you post where you are being accusatorial?
I don't see him as anything other than a problematic beurocrat. Muslim fundamentalists see him as a Muslim or former Muslim and they don't give a ratz*** how he became one or why he no longer is. They have very narrow vision. He can be whatever he wants here, just don't take it on a world tour and that is what he's done.
Are you bashing Muslim?..tsk..tsk...tsk
liberals can't believe that "Basketball Jones"
You see it is comments like this that paints Obama haters as being racist
You've seen the video of him discussing his Muslim upbringing, so have the fundies. I don't make their rules, Muslim fundies make their own rules and back them with fairy tales. By the way, those virgins they recieve in "paradise", male virgins!
Will you listen to yourself?
You are slipping my dear man.
Can you make you next post a little more articulated, less inflammatory, and more educated.
Peace!
Originally posted by whatukno
If Obama is a Muslim I wouldn't blame him for hiding it.
The fact remains how bigoted this country is against people of other faiths. For those that say that Obama lied therefore isn't fit to be President. I say, HE IS A POLITICIAN, HE LIES FOR A LIVING!
Show me a politician that doesn't lie and I will show you a politician that is out of a job.
Can you see a pattern here? If RELIGION is all that the right wingers have to moan about, this guy is doing pretty good in my book. Least he hasn't used an intern as a natural humidor (yet)
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Eight
There is a reason for this not being posted,it means nothing. It's a misunderstanding of what he was saying and he corrected it.
I think the problem most people have with this video is that they can't imagine ever making the same "mistake" obama did. There's no way they would "accidentally" say they were a different religion than they really are.
Because of that, it makes it appear that under the pressure of the campaign and the interview (and without his teleprompter), obama simply forgot his coaching and memorized lines and accidentally told the truth.
[edit on 6/9/2009 by centurion1211]