S & F

I think the above seven are part of the reason for the U.S. having the largest percentage of sociopaths globally. Without the proper nutrients to fend off the excess toxins, the brain losses it's ability for higher cognitive functions like empathy.

Not only are we being poisoned by what we ingest, it's happening through the air we breathe. I personally think it's in everyones best interest to supplement nutrients or take a variety of herbs & super foods to help detox the overly burdened man of the 21st century.

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Considering fluoride has been in water supplies for the past 50 years or so, there must be literally millions of victims that have died from fluoride poisoning (from fluoridation, not accidental poisoning). There must be whole cities where the citizens are all affected by fluoridation illness. Shouldn't be too hard to find some links. Got any?

yea, a lot of this stuff is things i try to avoid but cant always.

i've never liked puttin sunscreen on, in fact have refused to since i was like 6. i just always figured it was bad

Originally posted by TheComte
Considering fluoride has been in water supplies for the past 50 years or so, there must be literally millions of victims that have died from fluoride poisoning (from fluoridation, not accidental poisoning). There must be whole cities where the citizens are all affected by fluoridation illness. Shouldn't be too hard to find some links. Got any?

I don't enjoy repeating myself, but it's important I do here.

(FROM MY OP)

In a number of small villages in Sicily, Turkey and India there is naturally occurring fluoride in the water ranging from 0.7 to 5.4 ppm. Here the villagers and their livestock are chronically ill, while neighboring villages with no fluoride have no such illnesses. Premature aging is the overall effect. Children have brown decaying teeth; young adults often have none. Young men are bent over and crippled with pain in their joints and hips. Their skin is wrinkled and they look 60 at age 30 to 40. There is premature hardening of the arteries, loss of appetite & sex drive by age 30. The rate of stillborn miscarriages by 4 months is extremely high.

Keep in mind that they are speaking of Naturally occurring fluoride, at levels that are generally much higher than the 'dose' that is added to our water daily. So the results are more drastic, much sooner.

In our case the poisoning is slower, and due to lack of awareness of the issue, the symptoms are often blamed on other things as I also stated. Additionally, it's worth noting that in any society with almost any slow poisoning, its effects will only be be rapid and devastation in a small percentage, others may take decades to experience one symptom.

What isn't fully known yet, is the effect that fluoride has on mental health, let alone it's already numerous PROVEN adverse effects. Though it has been linked to making humans more docile and airy.

Enjoy your ride fellow Canuck.

Originally posted by king9072...at levels that are generally much higher than the 'dose' that is added to our water daily.

And that's the key. Much higher levels. BTW I was talking about N. American victims of the policy of fluoridation. And it's been decades, five of them.

Fluoride does not make us more docile. That is a myth. Nazis didn't use it.

I'm not disagreeing that fluoride is poisonous at high dosage. Lots of things are. But if it was as bad as the fear mongers make it out to be, there would be a lot of victims in which we could pinpoint fluoridation as the cause. That just isn't the case.

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my uncle was the head of water treatment in a particular city in Australia.

a few months ago, just after i learnt about flouride, we had a family dinner.
He got a little emotional about his old job ( he is retired) but said one of his proudest moments in his life, was being able to help millions of people by overseeing the introduction of flouride into the city's water supply.

i kept my mouth shut. this was his moment. sigh...

it was kinda heart breaking.

You just outlined the Western Diet

Originally posted by contemplator
You just outlined the Western Diet

Thanks for noticing, and on a totally unrelated topic, anyone know why North Americans are so unhealthy?

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Originally posted by 2theC
my uncle was the head of water treatment in a particular city in Australia.

a few months ago, just after i learnt about flouride, we had a family dinner.
He got a little emotional about his old job ( he is retired) but said one of his proudest moments in his life, was being able to help millions of people by overseeing the introduction of flouride into the city's water supply.

i kept my mouth shut. this was his moment. sigh...

it was kinda heart breaking.

Lol, oh man.. Yeah.. I can just see him wiping the tears of joy as the barrels of flouride are dumped into the water supply. Ever seen the barrels? They have skull and crossbones on them.

Originally posted by contemplator

Originally posted by 2theC
my uncle was the head of water treatment in a particular city in Australia.

a few months ago, just after i learnt about flouride, we had a family dinner.
He got a little emotional about his old job ( he is retired) but said one of his proudest moments in his life, was being able to help millions of people by overseeing the introduction of flouride into the city's water supply.

i kept my mouth shut. this was his moment. sigh...

it was kinda heart breaking.

Lol, oh man.. Yeah.. I can just see him wiping the tears of joy as the barrels of flouride are dumped into the water supply. Ever seen the barrels? They have skull and crossbones on them.

So ignorant, all you do is focus on the Skull and cross bones, why didn't you focus on the beautiful brown, pitted teeth and receding gum line of the skull and cross bones. Sheesh, and some people reject it's benefits.

Why do you all just star and flag like muppets ? Why not do some research and follow the links ? Why not THINK FOR YOURSELVES !!
Sure a lot of these things are uneeded in our lives, are not wanted and can be done without - but the the general theme of this thread is nothing more than claptrap !

Prescription and over the counter Medication

Next time you are the dentist having a tooth pulled say no to teh pain releif. When you have a peptic ulcer eating through your stomach lining - say no to drugs, when you are suffering AIDS - say no to life saving drugs-- my god I can not believe you actually posted this in good faith.


Fluoride
One of the greatest advances in modern hygene - not sure if any of you have seen the effects of poor dental health. This is the BIGGEST ruse of all time.

MSG
This is probably THE MOST tested substance on earth - it is also naturally occurring and is a flavour enhancer. To be specific the only thing ever discovered about this product was a very mild headache - less than that from over eating sugar. Absolutely not true.

Artificial Sweeteners
There was an issue with some early products which were removed. Since then the urban myth remains and greedy points seekers on ATS do well with SUCKERS on this point. This URBAN MYTH was dissolved in the early 80's.


GMO Foods
What does the O stand for ? Thats right you don't even know. Follow this link and it deals with MONSANTO and their nefarious approaches to cropping which is an issue in itself. There is absolutely NOT ONE SINGLE HEALTH RISK ESTABLISHED FROM THIS - the link deals with such things as allergic reactions which would occur naturally. The ethics of GM (thats right GM NOT GMO) are quite a seperate matter - again spurious lies intended to glean points.

Disinfection products and others
Interesting - probably the greatest health benefit of the past century was hygene - go on stop washing your hands, stop disinfecting the hospital surgery, etc. Joke.
There is of course a truth in the fact that Americans over santize -yes. But really much worse to your health is the fact that there is # in the food - yes its true due to lack of sanitization.

Plastics
Petroleum based products have the potential to cause harm - that is why they tell you not to refill bottles because after about 500 refills it will start to break down - ummmmm????



Honestly - appalling thread.

How about the FACT that the government has been conducting atmospheric nuclear testing for half a century which is probably the leading cause of cancer in the world today ?

Or the FACT that the EU has only just passed legislation to prevent over 30,000 known carcinogens bein used in the food manufacturing process ?

Or the FACT that your vegetables and fruit is gassed so that it stores longer ?

Or that your salad products are washed in bleech and chlorine ?

Or the FACT that pesticides are the leading cause of birth defects ?

Why don't you do some real research and present some REAL problems rather than carte blanche tabloid posting in an attempt to just grab points - IT RUINS THIS WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE.

Great thread.

Despite the debunker's, I agree with much of this. You do have to remember, as some have said, that some of these products to have benefits that probably out weight the disadvantages. In the end the consumer has little choice. I remember reading somewhere that the rates of cancer in the last 40 years has grown ten fold to the 40 years before. No one can explain that, other then its our modern life style in the western world and the amount of chemicals we induce due to things like the products mentioned by the OP in our everyday lives. Remember in the past we never had things like fluoride in the water. Sure our teeth were worse, but cancer rates were lower as well.
The thing is, there is no life time testing of many of these products, so no one really knows what the long term effects of many of these things are. In the end it doesn't matter. Its just another risk we take in our daily lives, like jumping into a car and driving down the road, which is one of the most riskiest things you can do.
So avoiding these things is probably a good idea, but they are not truly proven dangerous taken in the quantities we do in our daily lives.

Just my 2c