Modern day events that looked like the Apocalypse. Are they signs?, page 1
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reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 06:06 PM by AshleyD
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Interesting thread. I personally don't see those as fulfillments and here's why:

The Tsunami of 2004 looked like a mountain fell into the sea? Well it kind of did but underwater.


That prophecy is due to take place during the tribulation. Although some believe it has already started, the starting point prophesied in the Bible has not yet occurred. And that is, a seven year peace treaty.

So that leads me to believe this fulfillment is still yet future. I saw a documentary recently that shows a mountain off the west coast of Africa. It is precariously positioned and not very stable. In the case of an earthquake or volcanic eruption, it would literally fall into the sea and flood most shorelines and islands. That would sound more possible but I am not sure, of course, until it happens.

One thing I do believe this possibly fulfilled is the 'birth pang' prophecies that would precede the tribulation that mentions the 'seas roaring' more than they're usual level.

The first Gulf War, the burning oil fields with the sun blacked out during day time, a third of the sun turned dark.


I don't believe a third of the sun turned dark and also...

9/11 Babylon has fallen, tower of Babel?

2nd Gulf war, fallen Babylon the great maybe?


...all prophecies that are supposed to happen during the tribulation- not before. Being that there is no peace treaty with Israel yet, I do not believe the mountain falling into the sea, the final destruction of Babylon (currently being rebuilt in Iraq, by the way), or the sun turning to sackcloth has been fulfilled yet.

Those are my thoughts on it. I do have some Christian friends on here, though, who believe the seals are already being broken and they have some rather interesting evidence to back it up. My opinion is the time is very close but not quite here yet. We're only experiencing the prophecies classified as birth pangs and not the prophecies classified as hard labor.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 10:34 AM by AshleyD
But what events for you in modern times painted a picture of what describes something Biblical?


Lots of things. The rebirth of Israel to the day it was prophesied, the literal rebuilding of Babylon by Saddam Hussein, the denial of theistic creation, etc. Here is a really awesome site that shows the end time prophecies that have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and are showing signs they will soon be fulfilled:

www.understandthetimes.org...

For example the Tsunami was paraphrased on the news with being on the scale of Biblical flooding for example.


I believe that fits into Luke's birth pang prophecies of the seas roaring and the climate becoming harsher. You can check out other signs of harsh weather phenomenon and flooding in item 11 in the above link.

Which other events seem to echo the future that is yet to come, what has given you the chills for such events?


The Middle East situation is a huge one. Also the division of Israel's land that is being discussed by several political leaders. And the intensity of Jerusalem, the temple being a project some are working on, etc. Those are all things that could pave the way for a need of the AC. So far no one else has been able to accomplish those things but he'll eventually step in and appear to resolve everything.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 03:03 PM by Veritas26
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haha that is funny.....It is defiantly Ironic.. why do you think they did that though? Is it to scare the viewers


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 05:53 PM by The time lord
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I am not just picking on this event alone but like I said we had the Tsunami that is also paraphrased as a Biblical event, its not to scare but feel scared and like someone mentioned before, the birthpangs before the Tribulation will increase in frequency with roaring of the seas and rumours of war.

Matthew 24

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

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29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Veritas26
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have you found any information like this on other examples? I am just curious because this is a big debate I am personally interested in


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 06:52 PM by Veritas26
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Do you wonder if they caused 9/11 on purpose so they could start the war we have been in?


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 06:58 PM by Veritas26
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It is also expected to end and certain things are said to happen in some order by the bible.. Is it possible that the Bible says these things so our world is making these things happen because the says so? such as 9/11? they planned it maybe so it fit the prophecy..


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 03:50 PM by TheWalkingFox
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Matthew 24 is an interesting read. It's very unfortunate that so many Christians, when reading it, take it to be some sort of end of the world spiel.

It's not.

It's a warning about the corruption of Jesus' teachings. Read it in full, rather than snipping it, passage by passage. His disciples do ask him about hte end of the world, but he basically brushes them off by saying (to paraphrase) whatever happens, God is eternal.

Remember, Peter (from the Greek petros, stone) was the "rock" that Jesus would be building on? Carry the symbolism there to the first few passages of Matthew 24.
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


The temple is the place to worship God, of course. The stones represent the worshipers, in Jesus' words here. They will be divided, unconnected - and they will no longer form a temple to praise God, just a pile of stones.

We move on to this:
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


To paraphrase, in plain English; "Bad things happen, but you should maintain faith, even against those who exploit those bad things to try to lead you astray." In more detail he explains that many do not keep their faith in these times, and will betray one another either for their own gain, or at the behest of "false prophets" - those who claim to speak for God, but only speak for themselves.

He then speaks of a potential scenario of the end of the world - an unpopulated earth, moon and stars giving no light, pretty stock stuff for a 1st century view of the end of the world. As I said though, he brushes it off.

35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


He covers two things here - One, even if the world does end, God is eternal, and two... Jesus doesn't have a clue when the world will end - "but my father only."

I figure that if Jesus himself couldn't give a date and time for this, it's more than a little presumptuous of Christians to keep trying to one-up the guy on that score. Especially while they keep pretending that the first part of Matthew 24, regarding "anti-christs and false prophets", a divided house of worship, and all those other things, can only possibly apply to someone else.


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 04:07 PM by TheWalkingFox
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No. Read the whole chapter, Time Lord. Take the two passages in context with the rest of what is being said.

Can you really imagine this?

Jesus: "My followers will be tried by hardship, betrayal, and persecution. Many shall be tempted by the words of false profits, while others will act against all I have taught. The true worshipers of god will be divided from their fallen fellows, and the entire elect shall be divided by their fidelity to my teachings. Oh and by the way, the Romans are going to knock this temple down in a few years."

Now hey. Maybe, maybe Jesus had ADD, and you're right, that's how this went down. But to my literary eye, his statement about the temple is the frame in which the rest of his warnings fit. "My followers will be broken and divided, and this is how"


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 04:36 PM by The time lord
The signs of the end of age repeats it self in many times its not only in Mathew it is used many times thoughout the Bible. No doubt each Gospel tells the meaning of what Jesus is saying in different ways, does ot mean both are wrong, he is God you know, very deep and very multiangled in what he says. The Gospels are written in 4 different angles of his personality and character so either way both of us are right I feel.

Luke 21


Signs of the End of the Age
5Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down."
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Also very important:

7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?"

8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."

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Signs here could mean man landing on the Moon, the Sun behaving differently like it is now without sun spots for example, solar flares?

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
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