Mars - Sol 676 - Black Box?, page 4

reply to post by inorbit222

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Yeah...but wouldn't eons of wind, and sandblasting produce rounded or eliptical curvey shapes, instead of aparent cubes, with seemingly presice edges and overhanging lips?

My experience with sandblasting and wind/sand erosion tend to produce smooth rounded or curvey features, not cuboids.

reply to post by Monger

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Weird, it seems no unatural to me.

Look at all the black exploded burned rocks and then that piece.

reply to post by notsoobvious

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Not many notsoobvious,

Only about 20 or so were launched, and of those only around half achieved Mars orbit (and subsequent landings or crash landings).

So even if we were to treble that number to include any potential hush hush 'military' landing attempts, we are still only talking about maybe 15-20 landings or crash landings.

Spead that out on a planetary scale, and that's not a lot of hardware for a large planet...However...if you are talking about ancient human probe...that's a different story.

I personally believe that the artifacts (most of them, if not all of them) that are apparent on both Mars and our moon, are from previous human high civilizations, that have since either moved on...regressed (to us), or died out forllowing war or catastrophe leaving a few survivors, who then fled to Earth or were here already on a mission at the time.

Quite why the idea of advanced human civilisations in antiquity frightens the hell out of the 'establishment', and must remain a secret baffles me.

Surely, one could say that we achieved a higher level of technology and science before, so we can once again. Instead, they seem to think we will all just become pathetic and give up trying to be better.

As for religion, isn't god supposed to be eternal? (whatever god you're into) He/she/it/they have always been? Why would it matter if the religious historians have the dates off by a few hundred thousand years?

Either god exists and always has existed, or god hasn't and doesn't...timescale has nothing to do with it.

Oops...i'm waffling again, sorry.

reply to post by spikey

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Good point.

In looking at other pictures taken nearby by the rover, it seems there are two kinds of rock in the area. One a bedrock underlying the sand and dust, which appears to be more pockmarked and much older. The other--what I figure our box is made of--is of a darker shade and appears to have a smoother and more glossy texture. Again, look at the other photos from the link given in the OP, they depict the difference better than the OP photo. The darker rock I figure to have been introduced into the environment at some point, perhaps by a meteor. The cleavage on these is somewhat angular, with other photos showing pieces split in two while laying close to each-other. Many seem to have a triangular shape, or at least one right-angle. Maybe our box recently(in the past million years) broke off of another rock and was blown in a storm to its current position. Anyway, we will never know though it is fun to speculate.

Originally posted by vip867
Rocks do ata least on earth form cubes. Mostly crystline types, ie rock salt, Pyrite.





Edited to change quartz to pyrite which is in the picture.

[edit on 7-6-2009 by vip867]

Transformers black box?

reply to post by ziggy1706

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What kind of planetary geologist has never seen a quartz cristal or square edged gold pyrite. I am an amateur (realy amateur) geologist. That is to say that when I go camping I always bring my geologist tools to look for new and interesting minerals. Just for the fun of it, and to add nice decorations to my house.

I have several examples of very square shaped gold pyrite and quartz cristals, Halite(Salts) and more, that under the right conditons could easily mimic what we see in that photo.

Oh, and Earth is a planet don't forget. What happened here could easily have happened on Mars. No need for a degree to come to that conclusion.

reply to post by vip867

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Originally posted by Bearack
Russia, If I recall correctly, has had 13 failed missions to Mars. Who knows were the debris of those craft are. Once they hit the atmosphere, they lost communication so they could be anywhere on the planet. And with Mars minimal atmosphere, the objects would not burn up and a majority of the craft would make it to the surface.

Any object of earth origin hitting the surface would most probably be just debris after impact, if there were not protected by airbags on impact and used some sort of parachute on descent.

Engineers faced the daunting task of slowing the Mars Exploration Rover spacecraft from about 12,000 miles per hour when they entered the atmosphere to about 12 miles per hour when they hit the surface of Mars.
Source: marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

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