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Permaculture: A step towards independence [videos]

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities

Originally posted by Applesandoranges
Unlimitedpossibilities you are a definate Gem. Thankyou so much for posting these videos. I hold back my tears when i think how far away we have come from natural living. I so want to go back to that. I want to try the fruits and veggies my forefathers and formothers ate and garden the way my ancestors did. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!


No. Thank you so much for your thoughts. I really appreciate it.


Just thinking about all the tainted food that I ate in the past makes me sick. Would I have developed differently as a child? Would I be different than I am now?

Without a childhood of video games, television, sugar drinks, and candy, would I have been "smarter" than I am now? Or more successful? I guess there is no way to tell for sure but I think in the long run we must strive to eradicate these types of distractions, or at least be put under moderation; a balance if you will.

Just look at how college has become a requisite path for most people who want to be successful in society (and 80% of my college's funding comes from corporations!). Either we are all getting dumbed down by poor diet, mainstream media, and other chemicals, or the standards have slowly been lowered over time. Perhaps both?

I envision such a beautiful future. I had a fantastic childhood, and when I realized the world was full of evil, ever since that epiphany, I have been trying to get back to those wonder years. I strive for solutions that unite us and not perpetual, segregational type arguments.

My real interests in life are music, philosophy, and physics. It is only because of the world being as it is, is the reason why I am here on ATS. Of course, that is the reason ATS is here as well. It is why it was created.

I think that is enough of my "rant".

Again thanks. ttyl





[edit on 7-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]


Again you are another person who sounds like me. Like minded. Most probably a clue to all human oneness.
I do understand where you are coming from. Those thoughts reel around your head. But i realise those thought make you think how can i improve or make my life better, how can i implement and change this.
Most would say by example, others would say by grassroots actions, others will start by changing themselves.
We all in the end need to start somewhere. I agree on with alot of things you say. We just need to take that next step not just improving others like but starting with ourselves first. We cannot set good examples if we have nothing to show for it except thinking. We need to think and implement.
No success would come to inventors if they just think. They drew their design, they experiemented on it and implemented the end product.
We need to share our dream, start designing our goals and then actually experimenting, experiencing and implementing.
We need to srt thinking for ourselves and not on what other people's thoughts have shown us. We need to develop our own abilities to adapt aswell. Get intouch with our intuition, thoughts and feelings. Then we can co-create the same dream without limitations placed upon us by other people's dogma's which impedes our free will to observe, create, expand, sustain etc.




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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This is sooooo totally AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I am absolutly hooked on the gem you have shared...

I am totally and completely inspired for our future.


Thank you and bless you for spreading this!


www.youtube.com...

Desert permaculture....


[edit on 8-6-2009 by mellisamouse]



posted on Jun, 10 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Thank you for enjoying it!


I just wish this thread could been something big because I really think this could have inspired everyone here at ATS to take some passive action.
It is a shame. Please spread the word anyway you can.

It truly seems to be the first step towards independence.

anyway.


[edit on 10-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Jun, 10 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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This could be incorporated in to the permaculture system and it is mycelium.



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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permaculture if nothing else is the use of common sense, very littel of it around these days. it starts with a mind set probably the only zone to be concerned with zone '0' or '00' whatever. permaculture encompasses other growing regimes like gaia gardening and fukuoka farming as well as organic growing and using natural processes with a lot of recycling thrown in.

so it is only a word that gathers all those ideals. it can have 2 meanings: permanent culture or permanent agriculture which points to its ideals of sustainability.

it can be used by unit dwellers or those on acreage no matter, so to that end the zones aren't needed in suburban landscapes as you realy only have one zone outside the house. and even on acreage it is only a guide.

www.lensgarden.com.au...

len



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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about thsoe permaculture video's does one need to subscribe before viewing them?

i have had a couple of attempts and when i click the arrow to supposedly run the video all i get is an index list of sorts with nothing about permaculture listed.

any help appreciated please

len



posted on Jun, 12 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Thank you very much for responding.


In regards to the videos, you do not need to register (At last I didn't). If you are running Firefox with "no script", you do need to allow "veria.com". Other than that, I am not sure what could be the problem.

Let me know. I do not want to deny anyone access to these videos.




[edit on 12-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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I was just reading about permacultures and transition towns tonight.. I'm VERY interested in this!!



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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That is quite an interesting video my friend. It is amazing how mycelium can spread out over the earth like that. I think i will have to watch it again because it was not obvious to me as to how it would help with permaculture (except to help get rid of ants or termites).

Thanks for sharing.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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g'day again,

had a look at my firefox setting could find nothing about "no script" option, i run it with its default setting not smart enough to do otherwise.

here is a link to mycelium, hope it si what they are talking about?

en.wikipedia.org...

in permaculture we utilise many plants or growths that some deem as weed or pests, fungii are very good at helping to break down organic matter, i have never had that particular fungus in my gardens but i have had many others mostly in the stinkhorn family and the regular mushroom shapes as well. i just leave them be to do what ever they do best, sooner or later they diminish in appearances as the organic matter they need dimishes. get some edibles at times. apparently some of our native fungi's mostly in the stinkhorn family have been exported overseas in the wood chip that gets exported from here to where ever.

we allow things like sow and milk thistles grow as thes are host plants preffered by all sorts of bugs, they then leave our vege's alone to a greater degree, even dandelions and cick weed, anything that flowers and attracts pollinators, they or parts of them all end up in the recycle chain sometime or other.

look forward to more help on viewing those videas, many thanks.

len



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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Excellent thread and thanks for posting the video links, I will watch those later at my leisure. I only learnt about Permaculture about 6 months ago and I am now totally hooked on the idea. I have been looking for a small holding for the past year or so, seriously, but since reading about Permaculture I have been focusing on developing a business plan that would enable me to purchase fallow land and develop it myself. For the British contingent here are some of the links that I have accumulated. There is a lot of support out there and courses in Permaculture and more specialist skills are readily available. There are also a number of Permaculture Projects that you can visit and if you are inclined to lend a hand, volunteer to help in exchange for board and lodgings. The advantage to that being that you can see whether the lifestyle is really for you.

www.permaculture.org.uk...

www.permaculture.org.uk...

www.landmatters.org.uk...

manchesterpermaculturenetwork.howcreative.co.uk...

www.diggersanddreamers.org.uk...


Small holdings

www.smallholder.co.uk...

www.smallholders.org...

www.smallholding-wales.co.uk...


If, like me, you are seeking to develop a piece of rural land that has no rights for residency or is not currently classed as agricultural usage you will have to get clued up on land rights and more particularly you will need to understand planning law which in the UK is a mine field. The ‘This Land is Ours’ web site, provided lots of helpful articles and you can contact them directly for support and advice.

www.tlio.org.uk...

www.tlio.org.uk...


The following links provide general advice on planning law, and particularly on PPS7, but when you decide where you want to buy land you must get a copy of the local government planning guidelines as each council authority has it’s own guidelines. And, where possible – network. UK planning is notoriously corrupt due to it’s stringency. A field worth a thousand pounds with planning can be worth millions. If you want to change the classification of usage of your land, it will not be easy and you need to get all the help that you can.

www.newark-sherwooddc.gov.uk...

livingtao.co.uk...

There are a number of book that are worth getting if you are seriously considering setting up, from scratch your own smallholding. If you are buying land, without residential permission, but intend at some point to live on it you need to get very familiar with planning, and/or ensure that you have sufficient funds to hire a Solicitor with a proven track record in planning. But, you are unlikely to get permission to build on that land for very many years, and should ensure that any plans that you do submit are not only completely sustainable but also low impact.

For example you are never going to be allowed to dig a foundation close or within woodland. In my case, I will only be seeking to house a static caravan on the land that I purchase and should be able to, with the support of a detailed business plan be allowed to do this, providing the land and access are suitable and that the neighbours are supportive of me doing so. With any planning application the most important thing to do is get to know the neighbours before hand so that you can find out their anxieties and factor those into your application. With rural planning, those concerns are likely to be; will the accommodation mar their view, will your business involve anything smelly or noisy or intrusive, so if you are genuinely wishing to be low impact it should not be a problem, as long as you keep on good terms with the neighbours during the three year conditional period. During that three years, your progress will be monitored to ensure you are running a business, that you are meeting the projections (within reason) that you forecast in your business plan, and that you are not just maintaining a pretence to get planning permission.


If you need to raise finance to purchase your land, there are a number of specialist lenders who deal with sustainable projects. If you can afford to raise the money against other assets, such as your existing home, this is preferable and will incur a lower interest rate, but the following lender does provide loans against land if you do not have existing equity.

www.ecology.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Sorry for taking so long to respond. Very busy week....


Thank you so much for all the valuable links and information. Much to go through and understand




There are a number of book that are worth getting if you are seriously considering setting up, from scratch your own smallholding. If you are buying land, without residential permission, but intend at some point to live on it you need to get very familiar with planning, and/or ensure that you have sufficient funds to hire a Solicitor with a proven track record in planning. But, you are unlikely to get permission to build on that land for very many years, and should ensure that any plans that you do submit are not only completely sustainable but also low impact.

For example you are never going to be allowed to dig a foundation close or within woodland. In my case, I will only be seeking to house a static caravan on the land that I purchase and should be able to, with the support of a detailed business plan be allowed to do this, providing the land and access are suitable and that the neighbours are supportive of me doing so. With any planning application the most important thing to do is get to know the neighbours before hand so that you can find out their anxieties and factor those into your application. With rural planning, those concerns are likely to be; will the accommodation mar their view, will your business involve anything smelly or noisy or intrusive, so if you are genuinely wishing to be low impact it should not be a problem, as long as you keep on good terms with the neighbours during the three year conditional period. During that three years, your progress will be monitored to ensure you are running a business, that you are meeting the projections (within reason) that you forecast in your business plan, and that you are not just maintaining a pretence to get planning permission.


If you need to raise finance to purchase your land, there are a number of specialist lenders who deal with sustainable projects. If you can afford to raise the money against other assets, such as your existing home, this is preferable and will incur a lower interest rate, but the following lender does provide loans against land if you do not have existing equity.


So in other words, you are saying that if I purchase land that I own, I will have to obtain certain rights from local authorities to do certain "things" on the land, such as build a house, permaculture, etc.?
Please pardon my ignorance on he subject. I am 22 and in college trying to obtain my degree so....

Oh, and what is a "Solicitor" in this context? What is his job? Who does he solicit?

Or should I just look it up on one of the links or google?

Thanks again. I really hope my dream of being self-sufficient isn't being crushed. But I guess it is best to know ahead of time.


ttyl








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posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Oh ok. So utilizing fungi is a good way to harmonize further. Thanks. It seems it has some amazing geometry when I watched the video.

I really wish I could help you view the videos. If you have firefox, but do not have the no-script add on then I have no clue. i am not that computer savvy so perhaps try a new internet browser. I know "google chrome" is working well on my desktop.

Perhaps put the Veria website in the "allow websites" category of your antivirus or firewall software. I am just guess at this point. Sorry i could not help. If I find anything I will let you know via U2U.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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thanks for that help,

they work using msie.

from what i have heard on tape 2 so far i don't quiet agree permacutlure should be promoted as a design funtion that needs to be learnt mostly by attending a course. this takes it away from the grass roots level the masses, that is why permaculture is no snowballing as it should.

and i also don't agree with her saying that pemaculture is not organic growing whatever, it is that and more. it still comes down to you must change your thinking then how you do things, it is that simple.

seems to be too much yuppy infuence in the presentation, to me that is being seen to be different but not realy being different, if you see my property it does not spell out pemaculture i don't look like a modern hippy with aires and graces, it might spell out sustainable, but it is permaculture and it is organic and it is natural.

would love to see permaculture snow ball it has much to offer in these times, but those who hunger for money have killed the goose that could have laid the golden egg. it has been around for at least 25 years now.

len

www.lensgarden.com.au...



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
So in other words, you are saying that if I purchase land that I own, I will have to obtain certain rights from local authorities to do certain "things" on the land, such as build a house, permaculture, etc.?
Please pardon my ignorance on he subject. I am 22 and in college trying to obtain my degree so....


I am assuming that you are in North America...? The information that I provided is specifically for the UK, but that said, it is applicable in essence wherever you are. In the UK, land use is highly restricted, you need to get very, very clued up to do anything. I should imagine that in the States, with a greater expanses of land available, the system is less restrictive, but you should still learn everything you can about restrictions on land usage.


Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
Oh, and what is a "Solicitor" in this context? What is his job? Who does he solicit?


It is what we call a 'lawyer' over here.


Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
Thanks again. I really hope my dream of being self-sufficient isn't being crushed. But I guess it is best to know ahead of time.


Well it hasn't put me off. It is going to take a lot of work on my part to make it a reality, but I'm not afraid of a little hard work, what about you?




[edit on 20-6-2009 by KilgoreTrout]



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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I planted a bunch of things in my first straw bail a few weeks ago... growing nicley! I am sooo excitied!



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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i, too, wish everyone would start getting more tribal, and become closer to the Earth!


that's how we were made, but our primitive, egotistical, arrogant, adolescent caveman thinking only lets us get so far...


it's time we work with nature, not against it, because Mother Nature can only take so much before she kicks back, and it will be brutal!

[edit on 29-9-2009 by adrenochrome]



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Yes, agreed!


This corporate dependency really has harmed the earth, and ourselves. If we close the gap between our sources of food, water, etc, then empathy will be employed more frequently; thus raising the consciousness level of oneness.

Thanks for the response.




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